so many wankers

General Discussion
#1

why is there so much negativity on this forum? I come on here for a brief period of time maybe every few months because that’s all I can handle! life sucks for all of us now, but putting people down, abusing them, crying bout how we’ll never get better etc will lead us nowhere! I’ve gone into about five different threads to day and in each one there’s some internet hero telling someone else their theory is shit, or this doesn’t work, or you’re an idiot etc etc

fucking joke really. no wonder nobody wants to help half you guys, you’re all sour pricks. this coming from someone who got hit hard by this bullshit.

roll with the punches lads, nothing is permanent and bashing each other and yourselves on here will only take you backwards.

peace.

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#2

Agreed. I’d encourage people to make use of the “foes” function. If you don’t get along with someone else just add them as a foe and it’ll hide their posts. The last thing you need for yourself is someone making you angry.

#3

Is the original post intentionally ironic?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in calling it “so many wankers”, then proceeding to refer to others members as “sour pricks”?

The post epitomises that which it strives to condemn.

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#4

If you are not aware of symptoms let me tell you, pfs is also a mental, neurological and emotional condition. How can you be positive when you CANT feel any good feelings?

#5

if you have the emotional capability to be an ignorant asshole fucktard then I would have to conclude that more than likely you’re just a negative asshole and chose not to be positive, rather than it being “emotional blunting” whether it be because you’re disheartened or upset about your condition is beyond me.

When I think “emotional blunting” I think robot, auto pilot, no feelings or capability, like a skitzo or something. no laughter, no anger, I could spit in your face and you’d sit there. I highly doubt it is selective just to positive feelings. JUST SAYING

I highly believe that the majority of this is many cases IS psychological, and thus playing a big role in recovery AFTER hormones are corrected as such. I do not believe it is all pysch related, as hormones obviously prove other wise, but I do certainly believe it plays a MASSIVE roll in recovery. Stress and emotional fear alone can kill libido and alter mood, as long as your mind is focused and stressed on something, it can’t move forward positively. The mind and self induced placebo effect is REAL and absolutely freakin mind boggling, there’s many books, research and medical attention on this for over a century.

I know for a fact as I suffer from high anxiety (GAD), ADHD and stress before I ever took this stuff and it would often induce PFS symptoms, depersonalization, derealization low libido and cognative impairment etc… I had to calm myself and not acknowledge the condition and crazy thoughts as it would only intensify my situation. As I focused on my life and kept my mind off of it not giving the odd feelings and state any attention or merit, it would subside and go away.

food for thought gents

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#6

Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously? This drug LITERALLY killed my emotions. Something in my mind is shutted down. Its not due to my sadness nor placebo. Its very real. But ignorant guys like you cant understand this. Dont talk about things which you didnt experience it before. Its not like your teenage depression when you dumbed from your girlfriend.

He compares his lousy depression with pfs. Lmao.

#7

Mew the founder of this site has experienced similar effects from Fin. but I guess he must have imagined it.

http://www.mypropeciasideeffects.com/my-propecia-side-effects-symptoms.html

#8

well kudos to merck scientist, that’s some pretty bad ass selective neurological targeting. So it only happens to effect positive and happy feelings, because quite obviously your negative and hateful ones are firing on all cylinders, much like everyone else around here…

Damn man, I’m not saying it doesn’t effect that, I’m saying in general as my post above, your mind and mentality plays a huge role regardless. that’s why I said OUTSIDE OF and AFTER hormonal challenges are addressed and fixed as OBVIOUSLY those play the main role and cause. Many drugs are known to cause this (emotional flattening) INCLUDING clomid. You have to openly and willingly address the hormonal change not sit around and take vitamin C meditating thinking it’s going to fix shit. AFTER THAT, the mental and mood portion comes into play, the psychological role DOES INDEED play a large role, as even though you fixed your hormonal imbalance, there is still the psychological road block individuals may have placed or plagued themselves with IE: constant anxiety or stress of a reoccurrence etc. regardless of what anyone says because I experience the shit first hand before I EVER TOOK PROPECIA. I would psych myself out about all kinds of different and crazy shit.

#9

If its so bad, why are you not signed up for a study? Just asking.

#10

1 i have no money
2 i have no passport
3 my family dont believe pfs
4 my mental and pyschial problems very bad so i cant fly alone.

#11

So if I selected, paid and shipped a PROPER PCT to you which I have used many times to recover from debilitating steroid cycles, through trial and error and advice of seasoned guys. would you you take it, listen to my guidance and report your progress?

#12

1 the foundation will finance your expenditures
2 get a passport, or are you citizenless
3 who cares?
4 Excuses, I can fly with you :smiley:

#13

Delete this thread

#14

This is where, I think, you separate the mildly effected VS the majorly effected groups. Depressedguy doesn’t have low T or High E. A smaller previous study already showed low neurosteroid levels among Fin users. IMO this is likely due to fin blocking more then just 5aR in some people. They also found altered AR in tissue. There is no amount of PCT or TRT that will fix this. If you try to relate the depression or any of the other effects to something you have experienced before in your life you clearly did not get full blown PFS. There is no describing this experience. Its really that bad.

https://books.google.com/books?id=00JbUu4lLsgC&pg=PA298&lpg=PA298&dq=low+Neurosteroid+levels&source=bl&ots=niHlAL1DF5&sig=bRsbV1T2BfW5YNTb725-mVnmCIg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BG6oVK2NFYuLoQT2poD4Cg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=low%20Neurosteroid%20levels&f=false

#15

wow, I started a thread to highlight the negativity on this forum and what do I get…

people calling it ironic, then people arguing about different shit. see my point?

imagine how much better this place could be if people didn’t go around trying to one-up each other, putting each other down and arguing over needless shit?

#16

The problem is that the PFS symptoms literally make people crazy. That’s why you see what you are seeing.

#17

Agreed, I hate to admit but to some extent we all have been somewhat mentally compromised if even temporarily by the effects of Finasteride. Intense depression, anxiety and insomnia take a huge toll which is why you see so much suicidal talk and unfortunately actual suicides occurring. It isn’t unreasonable to question your own mental state when this happens to you as it is completely against all ordinary biological functioning for a organism to want to harm itself but that is exactly what the nuerosteroid “shock” caused by finasteride does to those of us here.

Still my depression from fin, did not cause me to become a true idiot (although it impacted my short term memory) and there is a lot of just simply garbage non-sense stuff that gets promoted around here, by people desperate to seek a cure in some cases, but also by people who I think are greatly exaggerating how badly the drug has effected them. Some people have been to deaths doorstep from this, while others have low libido and act as if its the end of the world. There are varying degrees to which PFS effects different people, and some of these fellows claiming recovery I suspect never had it bad enough where they would contemplate ending their own life for years on end like others here. Thus when they see any sexual improvement they are ready to start touting recovey. When really all talk of recovery cannot be adequately determined until we develop a way of determining the causation and how to accurately measure its impact. Even then there is a stark difference between thinking about suicide and holding a gun to your head.

#18

There’s no excuse for treating fellow members like some people on this board is doing. Lead, follow or shut the fuck up.

#19

couldn’t agree more. hence the reason I try to stay away from here most of the time. the needless arguing is rife.

#20

I dont know what do you mean about “treating members this way”. Because we are talking about negative thoughts. And nobody can stop it unless its excess. If someone underrestimate my symptoms i react it.

And so ironic to see “shut the fuck up” and “wankers” words from people who complain about other members behaviours.