Here is a messageboard talking about side effects from propecia…There was a perosn on there who had libido problems…took some proviron, and was rock hard again…
What is Proviron? Viagra?
Proviron is Mesterolone (1 methyl-dihydrotestosterone), in other words it is very similar to DHT (one methyl group removed). It’s usual importance to this message board is the belief that we have somehow lowered the levels of DHT in our body, and this is what caused all the myriad of downstream effects we are now experiencing, so normalizing the levels of DHT in our system would seem to play a logical role in a recovery attempt.
I personally am becoming increasingly interested in attempting the use of Proviron. I have always asked myself the following question, Why haven’t I returned to my normal oily skin and hair loss yet (along with other returns to normalcy in libido, mental symptoms, etc)? I firmly believe this is a result of my lowered levels of DHT (confirmed through blood tests). Interesting to note that “Proviron is usually well tolerated and side effects (men) are rare with dosages under 100 mg per day. Above this, one may develop an excessively high androgen level and encounter some problems. Typical androgenic side effects include oily skin, acne, body/facial hair growth and exacerbation of a male pattern baldness condition, and may occur even with the use of a moderate dosage. With the strong effect DHT has on the reproductive system, androgenic actions may also include an extreme heightening of male libido.”
Anonnn1: The thread you posted from the body builder website is very interesting.
I definitely feel there is something to this reationale of using Proviron and am surprised to see that so few people have actually tried it as a treatment. It comes up all the time in the discussions, but I can recall few if any instances on this message board of someone actually taking it for some time, especially when you compare that to the tons of people that have tried TRT, and many other common protocols/treatments (DIM, Zinc, different herbs, Neurotransmitters, Vitamins, etc.)
gcac.
Please look through my thread on recoveries section. It is entitled JN Yahoo 2001 Recovery.
I have had success with Proviron. Genuinely it seems to improve my erections and give me acne. The more I take, the better I get.
I estimate, however, that I may require 20 tablets per day of Proviron to be better (taking, say 6 tablets which is 150mg, gets me a third better).
The bioavailability of Proviron is 3 to 5% which is low. By injecting it intramuscularly one could achieve 100% bioavailability.
Andractim gel, whilst it helps slightly, is not the correct way to replace DHT. I do not understand why this is as the literature states DHT metabolites are elevated nicely.
Intramuscular Mesterolone (Proviron) is a sensible last port of call. Many men here are not at the end of their tether. I am. I have been suffering terribly for 9 years. I think about this situation ALL the time. I am obsessed. I am desperate to get better.
I have hope for one more agent and that is Mesterolone IM. When you guys hit the ‘last chance’ saloon, I think you may realise that this may be a sensible option, perhaps even curative of symptoms.
Please respond to my above comments.
JN
JN it seems you have not tried injecting it intramuscularly. Is there a reason? I haven’t done HRT or ever injected so it’s a foreign topic. It seems from your writing that you think this is a solution?
Listen guys,
I want this thread to gain some weight. I am very serious about IM Mesterolone (PROVIRON) being a potential cure. I know I always mention ‘cure’, but I can’t help it.
When I take 2 tablets of Proviron (50mg total), I get maximum of 2.5mg proviron in my system as it has a maximum of 5% bioavailability. I notice the following; more beard growth, increased acne and libido, stronger erections, better mood.
I am very interested to know what injecting 50mg IM would do as it would be 100% bioavailable. So, 20 times the effect!
I have been through the studies of Mesterolone, and in the 1970s they would inject 400mg mesterolone to cure depression, also impotence.
I will post the studies tomorrow when I am less tired.
Please discuss the above. I am further than EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU when it comes to trying treatments. I therefore need people to work with me here.
I am embarrassed to have not thought of this option before. In my heart of hearts, I genuinely think that it would work. One should be on TRT first though.
JN
It seems you would want to start with a much lower dose if it’s 100% bioavailable?
JN,
I’m with you on this one.You are aware of my current protocol(Masteron) but if I could have access to IM Mesterolone or the raw powder I would also give it a try considering my good response to Masteron.Please keep us up to date…Just a thought here…it might be worth researching what would be considered the most androgenic AAS out there.I will check in the BB scene for that…Maybe we are overlooking something out there???
Martin M. Yes, I always estimated to my girlfriend that I would require 20 tablets per day of Proviron to make me something like normal. I never actually took more than 6 in one day.
I thus calculate that 25 to 50mg IM Proviron (Mesterolone) would be a good starting point. I will start at 25mg IM per day.
Whalen. Yes, this is of direct interest to you so thank you for replying. I know you have seen good effects with Masteron. Really, may I mention to the forum that Masteron had WONDERFUL AND IMMEDIATE effects with me. I felt like a different person after 50 minutes. Erections, ejaculate, acne better. But Masteron is the WRONG drug to take. It is 65% ANABOLIC/25% ANDROGENIC (unsure as to other 10%). Mesterolone is virtually PURELY ANDROGENIC.
I am very serious about this. It is going to be my last attempt to get better. Andractim has barely touched me. Of note, please read Josh Fuller’s thread where he stated ‘the only thing that made me better was DHT injections…made my erections full and strong…made me feel good’. Josh Fuller would strangely go by the email address of davefulmore@hotmail.com.
There is weight to this anecdotal report. We must respect it. He also saw no benefit with Andractim.
I always see a noticeable difference with Proviron (DHT)
I responded immediately to Drostnolone (Masteron)
I have imported Drostanolone from China before and made it up in my kitchen with benzyl alcohol/benzyl benzoate/sesame seed oil. It is easy.
I will be doing the same with Mesterolone. I expect to get better. Really.
Whalen, if you are feeling good can you research Mesterolone IM please. Make some posts. Work with me here because I think I am right. I want a team effort on this.
Whalen- please PM me directly for an excellent contact for Mesterolone powder. Please note that it is LEGAL to import such anabolics in UK. I am seriously considering flying to UK, ordering the powder and making it up in a kitchen. Getting it into Canada could be difficult but you may need a script. I am willing to write prescriptions, should this work.
I’m off to get a psychiatric assessment as I am no longer fit to work as a doctor due to the deterioration in my mental status.
Hang in there lads, this thread has merit…
JN
Hey Whalen,
Yes, we all need to make direct enquiries into what is the most androgenic agent out there. It needs to be an intramuscular preparation.
I believe (and from my VAST VAST amount of research, especially wrt BB methods) that it is Mesterolone. It is a synthetic DHT, so androgenic that it is taken orally!! The intramuscular version must be very potent.
Please bear in mind everyone, that whilst I am clearly a desperate man who’ll do anything to get better, I still want to stay within the safety profile of the drug. I would recommend a starting dose (for me) of 25mg per day IM. This preparation would need daily dosing. To make Mesterolone ‘longer lasting’ and injections say, twice weekly, one would need to attach an enathate ester to it, which can, again, be done in your kitchen. Studies were done in the 1970s on IM Mesterolone with doses upto 500mg per week.
I have posted the link before on how to attach an enanthate ester onto DHT. I will post it later after my psychiatric appointment.
I want to be on this earth a long time and enjoy my life. I will be astonished if intramuscular Mesterolone does not give me a life back. I hope I can look back at this and shake my head about how I didn’t think of IM Mesterolone before this.
JN
I used to frequently get acne before taking propecia, now it is very rare when I do, and I have been off propecia for over a year.
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Adam1515.
Welcome to the forum. I’m sorry you seem to be suffering side effects after discontinuing Propecia. We are all working together to find our way out of this situation. We are doing well and I’m hopeful.
I request that you don’t spray good quality threads with one line statements
‘Is my LH low’, ‘I don’t have acne’ as the thread loses it’s quality.
This thread, in particular, I believe has a lot of merit, and perhaps you’ve somewhat violated it.
Please, start your own thread about your suffering and we’ll gladly contribute and help you out.
Best Wishes and stick around. This is a team effort.
JN
I haven’t posted here in a while, I’m literally at the end of my rope as I’m unable to function at all and just had a most embarrassing experience over the weekend so I’m willing to try anything. I’ve asked my specialist to prescribe me Proviron and I’m awaiting his decision, one question I have is why would one have to be on HRT to take Proviron? My T level is within range albeit it on the low side, I don’t believe this medication suppresses the HPTA much does it? Ultimately I would like to try IM Proviron although I’m not much of chemist in the kitchen, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Chris, external DHT may be surpressive to the HTPA and thus reduce T output, hence why its recommended you be on TRT already.
On another note, have you signed up for Irwig’s study and sent in your consent form? That is the single most effective thing anyone suffering can do at this moment to help advance our cause.
If you or anyone else have not, please do so: propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3497
Thanks Mew, there seems to be varying opinions surrounding Proviron and HPTA suppression. I will be participating in Dr. Irwig’s study.
Yes I agree. Any sufferer here (registered member or guest) who hasn’t signed up for the study really needs to.
Imagine if Dr Irwig could collect ‘hundreds’ of sufferers!! I am a doctor myself and my colleagues, when referring to trials, always comment on the number of of participants in a trials. The greater the number, the more valid and the more statistically significant the overrall finding is.
50 sufferers would be ok, but 200 would be FANTASTIC. I have my skype interview with Dr Irwig on Monday 26th April.
Chris, don’t worry about IM Mesterolone yet. Let me try it first and I’ll report back.
I seem to be the human guinea pig on this site. Someone has to be.
JN
Mew, maybe you should email some of the guys on that askapatient.com who are sufferers (it provides a link to some of their emails)…that’d help get the number of responders up for the study.
I already did last week.
has anyone ever tried to use proviron sublingual? the bio availbility should be much better!
I have used Proviron sublingual, and I must admit, I feel best after using the Proviron. It normally takes a day or two for it to kick in for me, but once it does, it is like having a glimpse of your former self pre-fin, however short lived. This is what gives me hope.