Yes, it helped. I didn’t notice much with this second cycle yet, but I did just stop it a few days ago. It may still be too early to tell if I will benefit anymore then I did the first time.
Hello!
I promised that I ll give a short report about my situation.
Okay here it is…
In short words:
Dry eyes: rcovered. My eyes are shing green again with white sclera
tan: recovered. I m out a while and I get a brown tan again
Libido: recovered. I want have sex all the time like in former times 
erection: I still need 10mg cialis every three days for getting realy hard erections. But I have to say, that these erections are realy strong! Spntanous and night erection are perfect with this treatment
mood: recoverd. I feel strong and have no more anxiety
body fat and mussles: recovered. My workout gives me the results I desire.
Here is my treatment:
- Stacker T for about 5 months
- artichoke extract at morning (for liver health)
- DHEA 10mg every morning
- mucana pruriens every morning
- Cialis 10mg e3d
This I used this treatment 5 months.
Now I only take the 10mg cialis every 3-4 days a week
But I guess and hope that I dont need it any more in future, because I decant cialis sometime for three weeks and at this time erection is still okay, but not as good as before propecia. But getting better and better over time time.
how long have you been off cytochrome?
I’ve read this post and am encouraged by the recovery. Could I ask though is there any recovery from the numbness?
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Anyone experiencing increased muscle twitching due seemingly due to Quercetin? My body is twitching like never before.
Hey guys
has anyone else tried cytochrome`s protocol yet? Any experiences so far?
greetz
elv
Guys, I’m going to take a break on this Quercetin stuff. So far, every time I use it, I get twitches in my body, and I’ve developed gynecomastia to a greater extent because of it (in one pec). So, yeah, for now I’m going to stop…
By the way, I’ve been using 1000mg-1500mg for 2 weeks now.
Are you still using Quercetin? how is going your sex health/general health now?
I’m gonna try the Quercetin starting today. November 26,2009.
4 pills daily contain
1600mg quercetin
400mg Bromelain Ezyme
Whatever that is… haha
I doubt it will work since it seams nothing is working for anybody. People always think they have found the big solution just to find out that the symptoms all come back. Sorry for being so pessimist…
I got my bloodwork back last week and I have as much testostorone as an 80 year old man at age 29, isnt that fun…
I’ll try the Quercetin for a few months and see what happens.
I’ll keep people updated if I remember to do so. I’m pretty busy…
Anyway
Let me know if someone figures a solution for all this %$@#
Woud be nice if merck had specialists to find a remedy for this instead of everybody guessing.
Hello!
After reading all of this thread I have to write down my opinion about the possibility of recovery.
I opend this thread one year ago. I wrote down my experinece with herbs that helped me to recover (Quercetine, root nettle, silymarine…).
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I must say that this herbs DIDNT help me to recover. As many others too, I had to look for a solution for my problems by trying different things. But it is hard do separte the helpful things from the helpless.
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I recovered from my symptoms! Thats a fact! I thought the herbs helped me. But this was a mistake.
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I think the solution is to restart 5ar II activity!
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After all I can say that TWO things will defnitly help: a) Dexamethasone 0,5mg at bed time one over another week (One week off one week on…). b) Creatine Monohydrat. Creatin increases enodgen DHT production without decreasing endogen testosterone. There is a realtive new study about this.
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It takes time to recovery and adding a supraphysiologic DHT shot (sublingual Proviron 75mg once a week) could help to restart 5arII activity.
I can only speak for my condition. And Creatine helps me a little bit. I can feel burning sensations on my head again. And my tan is getting darker. Dexamethasone helped my once to recover I guess but I am not sure for 100%. the question is: Why did I recover from one day to another? I thought those herbs helped me, but they didnt. I took dexamethsone at this time for one year. than i stopped taking it and after 8 weeks I recoverd suddenly. I read many abstracts and literature about dexa and seems that Dexa can repair damaged receptors. I cannot guarantee that this is an option for everyone here. But there IS HOPE to recover. Creatin will help. Thats a fact. I ll attache the study!
Maybe a combination of dexamethaosne treatment with creatin for half a year together with sublingual DHT once week can help! This is my actual state of affairs.
Makes sense…I have written about Dexamethasone in previous posts. It’s used to treated CAH(cognitive adrenal hyperplasia). It’s 20-30x more potent than hydrocortisone, so this isn’t a medication you want to fool around with unless your under doctors supervision.
I agree with you that reactivating 5 ar II is the key. Cycling Proviron like you stated, along with taking dexamethasone, and creatine maybe the answer.
Will 75 mg proviron 1x a week suppress the HPTA to a point where you need HCG or TRT?
Thanks,
anonnn
Hi cytochrome,
thanks for updating.
However, I am not quite clear about your approaches, how you long you took something in which dose, are you still on medications, what is your protocol that helped to recover?
It would be helpful if you could give more details on your progress so that others might give it shot.
Thanks and best wishes
Another issue is that if you aren’t in a relationship you don’t always know you have ED. I didn’t really figure out I had bad dysfunction for a long time because I wasn’t in a relationship most of the time I was on finasteride. It took several failed attempts with girls to realize I was in bad shape. I had a million excuses, from blaming the girl, to other medications I was taking, to stress or being tired. I’m sure half the people out there on finasteride who have the dysfunction are living in denial. It’s like an AA meeting, where the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. The male ego is a powerful thing.
One thing I don’t understand cytochrome is that you had said you recovered by using quercetin and tribosten, but now you are saying you didn’t recover using these herbs? It doesn’t make any sense. Back when you wrote your regimen, which was before you tried your newest approach, you said you were cured. I don’t understand how now, you are saying that it didn’t cure you? Were you lying before when you said you were cured? I don’t see how you can be cured, and then not be? Can you please clarify this a bit more?
cytochrome -Good post. I agree more details are needed. How much Creatine are you taking a day? The study used 25 grams a day…that sure sounds like a lot.
Also many people on this board have recommended Proviron, but I’ve never been able to find it on the internet (other than some overseas sites that want you to send them a money order for it). Could you post where you obtained it? Thanks.
@cdnut: I know that this confuses you a little bit. I ll try to describe it a liitle bit more detailed:
I took propecia for a long time (5 years) and stopped it in march 2004. The side effects from propecia didnt disappear. I asked a doctor who is gynecologist. He is well educated about endrocine systems in men too. I told him my story and he said that I should try dexamethasone 0,5mg daily at bed time for 4weeks. Than I should take Dexa one over another week at bed time. He recommended me to contact him after six months again.
I did what he told me and after six months (October 2005) he said that my blood levels are getting better. He adviced me to go on with the dexa therapie. I took dexa till early summer 2006 and DIDNT notice any improvements. So I decided to stop the Dexa intake. At the same time I gegan to take Quercetin and nettle root. After 6-8 weeks I recovered suddenly. I thought that Quercetin and nettle root fixed my situation. That was a mistake! Dexamethasone helped me improvin my condition! Dexa suppresed my adrenal hormons. And after quitting dexa, these hormons began to come back high. I dont know why, but it seems that dexa helped me to recover.
My big mistake was, that I started with finasterid again, because after recovering my hair began to fall out again. I tried a topical Finasterid solution. i thought that this topical solution is safe. That was a big mistake. After two months I recognized sideffects. I stopped topical finasterid in march 2007. the side effetcs didnt disappear again 
So what should I do now? I ll try to do the same things I had done once.
@the rest:
I am not sure, but I guess that dexamethason worked for me. It is the only idea which makes sense for me. Because the herbs didnt work again. So it must be dexa. Adding Creatin is helpfull. DHT peaks once a week may be worth a shot too.
I ll took, 25 gr Creatin for 10 days and now I am on 10gr creatin daily with ALA (alpha lipon acid). Every monday I take 75mg Proviron sublingual. DHT peak once a week will not suppres endogen testoproduction! By the way Greek is a good source for Proviron!
@cdnut Yes I felt a little bit better with tribosten and it was a big improvment for me (sexual symptoms). But I didnt recovere with all symptoms. Sorry. I erred.
you said before clearly, you you took fin, suffered sides, took the herbs, and recovered. Then you used the topical fin, got sides again, took the herbs again, also took ed meds, and recovered.
Now you’re story is you took fin, suffered sides, took dex, stopped dex, also started doing herbs, stopped dex, recovered. Then you used the topical fin, got sides again, took the herbs but didn’t recover.
To me it clearly seems like you have no idea if and when you recovered as well as what the hell has or hasn’t worked for you. Sorry if I’m coming off as rude but this seems to be a reoccuring pattern on here with some guys recently. Granted it’s helpful people post what works and doesn’t im all for it but now advocating certain, and i might add very powerful steroids, that may help people recover with no clue is borderline dangerous. There has got to be some restraint.
Sorry my English isnt very good. So it is not easy for me to explain what I mean 
The second explanation is correct:
Took Fin got side effects. Quit Fin side effects didnt disapear.
Took Dexa. Quit Dexa. Took herbs and recovered.
And I guess it was Dexa which helped and not the herbs, because I began with Fin again. Got permanent side effects. And the herbs didnt help. Only sexual functions imporved with herbs and Cialis. But no full recovery. Mood, and other things didnt disapear. I was too ethusiastical. Sorry.
Now, I try it again with Dexa and with creatin plus Proviorn once a week. We will see what happens.