Returning to baseline after Androgenic supplement induced ''micro crash''

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#24

Even now at the 1 cap a day that i’m doing leading up to the proviron has me at great orgasms and semen volume- i forgot to mention.
I get erections, they just aren’t as powerful as I know they could be.

The other thing I’m putting money on is that just like testosterone TRT, it can take up to 6 months in some circumstances to regain adequate function. There is no reason to think the same wouldn’t apply to DHT.

Thus, I’ll be taking the proviron for a longer period of time, and will judge usage based on progress. But just like propecia took 6 months to see a difference in hair, I imagine at the very least that DHT would take the same to help sexual function!

I will add that after 4 andro, I do enjoy my hobbies again. I’m in the middle of doing some woodworking now, actually. I used to be outside constantly and PFS made me a cave dweller. Lost a huge part of my life for too long.

If anyone reading this considers 4 andro, I must add that after 3 weeks of usage at even a low dose, once stopping I crashed very badly and had to use clomid to start me up again. It was a very bad feeling being shut down, but I ended up coming out of it significantly better off. Due to this, I can’t recommend it but I also can’t not recommend it.

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#25

Were you at a point where orgasms felt close to pleasureless? That seems to be mine and @Coopers hardest symptom to resolve

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#26

Hmm… I don’t believe that was ever a huge problem of mine

#27

Mines are not pleasureless, sorry. They are fine actually. But still it’s not like the pre-Accutane state. I feel something is going worse and worse through this 4 years of period. (I took it 4 years ago, didn’t notice any problem besides the semen volume) It’s weird that i realized my other problems just now, months ago… im really not sure, even from myself. Thanks.

#28

What are your other problems? All you ever post about is dull orgasms and low semen volume. Do you have a member story?

#29

I have a member story, kind of. Yeah those two are my major problems but i feel like mildly damaged from other aspects too. Today i just realized i have a weak urine stream… its constant but the urine comes out slow and weak. I remember the old times, my urine would splash in to the toilet and i remember me trying to control the stream with my fingers for not pissing all over the room. Now, it just streams easily downwards… i have also loss of morning woods and my erections are not hardrock always. Many times they feel weak… anyone got this weak urine problem?

#30

I took tribulus and actually got worse. Normally it would do nothing or improve my symptoms, its a new brand I was trying so I dont know.

#31

So, did you recover from it? Did you recover to your baseline?
My supplements made me worse, and it looks like even though ive been off for 4 months, i didn’t recover from it… Hovewer, weird thing is i notice my lack of libido and erection quality loss just right now… i mean i used the supplements 4 months ago and my hourglass penis got worse when flaccid, so i stopped it. I didn’t notice any other worsenings, but slowly month after month i start to realize im worse then i was. My erections got softer, libido worsened and i still have flaccid hourglass penis from time to time. My only question is:

  • Is there any chance or possibility that getting worse after quitting the androgenic supplements for months?! I mean if they really made me worse, shouldn’t i notice the “micro crash” on the day of the usage? Why im going worse day by day instead of returning to my standart baseline? Am i stressing myself out or am i actually getting worse even though i stopped taking the supplements 4 months ago?
    Has anyone experienced something like this? Please please! I need serious help on this… :confused:
#32

My post is 3 weeks old. About 1-2 weeks ago I felt very good again, even better than baseline. After that I crashed again.

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#33

Can you explain what these crashes are like for you?

#34

bascially typical pfs symptoms, weaker erretions, sensations, less libido re occuring. Not really a crash in a sense that it occurs overnight, just worsening of sexual functions.

I would say its more the opposite I have a certain pfs baseline which I tend to drop back onto.

#35

So not a sudden change, more a fluctuation of symptoms?

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#36

As for me, yes! It’s exactly what happened to me…
I slowly realized my sexual functions went down. No “crash” feeling. Never experienced sudden changes. My only crash was low semen volume in the second day of the Accutane usage, then i quit. Didn’t experienced anything besides it. However, slowly, after visiting this forums, i realized i had also morning wood loss and more numb orgasms. Also developed flaccid hourglass penis after 6 months of the usage. Hourglass and other things except low semen volume were went away before i took androgenic supplements 3 months ago. For 3 months my overall sexual symptoms gotten worse…

Do you have anything to say about this?

Is this a micro “crash”? Or am i just obsessing about my situation? I want to compare myself with all other severe members here to objectively calculate my own damage. Thanks…

#37

excatly. Only fluctuation of symptoms. Could be supplement related because I usually stop them after initially taking them. But for tribulus I got slightly worse and then after a week I got better.

@Cooper
You should try supplements again. But I cant tell you what kind of supplements. You seem the type who gets worse when inducing androgen or androgen alike substances. Maybe you try aminoc acids o progesteron cream, or get another bloodtest to make sure your testo levels havent gone down.

#38

I screwed up as well with taking a very flavanol-rich cocoa which makes it feel almost like a repeat of when I first withdrew from fin. There must be stories of people who fully recovery from 2nd+ crashes.

#39

Have you recovered from that? If so how? Are you on your baesline again?

#40

Hopeless, what did you use and experienced fluctations? Also have you recovered from that? What kind of symptoms start to gotten worse? Please explain a little.
Thanks.

#41

Its complicated.

After I discovered I had pfs I supplemented ginko+acetyl carnitin, added maca-tribulus shortly after. That did something very weird, I had very often spontaneous erections which is by the way not a good thing, because I got them without even being aroused. During this period I was about 70% pre pfs (which is hard to quess), it wasnt great, but quite good I was able to have sex and it was somewhat acceptable. Then I got worse and I stopped supplementing, started again, got better and so on.
Then I switched to another tribulus, which made me feel like shit again sexual wise, and I stopped. After one week of not taking anything I got better, again feeling even the desire to fuck a woman who was before me in the waiting line. I had very strong hard erections, but numbness was still severe, felt very weird. Then I got worse again.

Then I took betaine, Vit A and Choline, Betaine and I got better. Meaning I got normal erection, almost no numbness, and good sensation, but still low mental libido meaning I only get aroused if I touch myself or if I getting touched by a female. Increased semen volume too, but like water.

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#42

How long you been dealing with pfs

#43

SInce october 2018. In October it was so bad, that I couldnt even masturbate and had 0.1secs orgasm and no semen.

Guys try betaine+choline+cod liver oil (basically animal vitamin A source, way more bio availability than plant Vit. A). Almost no penile numbness and good erection. I dont wanna say Iam cured but Iam the best since crashing in october. Just had really good sex…

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