I have used some supplements like: Tribulus, L-arginine, L-Carnitine, Creatine, Ginko and such. And they were together in high amounts. I was taking 4 pill of each of them. But then, i start to experience of the worsening of my symptoms. Also hourglass flaccid penis came back which i didn’t saw it since 2 years ago… I also remember my nipples started to feel dull and sensitive. I quit the supplements, but it seems i never catch my natural pos-Accutane baseline… 2 months passed already… am i have to wait more? Also how the hell some androgenic supplements can worsen my symptomps? I mean, just how…
are you surprised? it’s been documented on here that androgenic supplements or treatments actually worsen symptoms with those with PFS. you most likely got your testosterone levels up with the supplements and induced a crash.
its of my opinion that the overall function of the receptors has changed due to receptor overexpression. and that increasing circulating ligand has a negative effect on the body due to this overexpression.
for me personally, i never go back to baseline after a crash, it stays worse permanently, hopefully its not the case for you
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Well thanks. I didn’t experienced a ‘‘crash’’ though. I just felt worse. It was not so bad or noticable. And it happened slowly, its not happened in a day. But if supplementing androgens does not work for us, (in some people it worked) what should i do? How am i suppose to rise up my semen volume? I hope i return to baseline if this is not just a placebo or obsession that came after visiting this forum too much in the last 6 months.
we have quite similar case with cooper. PAS after one or just few pills. And only sexual symptoms for me. The weird thing that recovery sometimes was initiated naturally after i quit all supplements. Like everything came back WITHIN SECONDS and i felt more or less normal. from being completely impotent for 3 months to 80% normal in one sudden moment. very unexpected and I would say miraclous recovery. There was period were I even regained some morning wood, although it felt artificial and numb. Then I am crashing again. And it might sound ridiculous, but from my observation, I was crashing from collagen and hyaluronic acid supplement. it happened 3 times right after i started taking them.I stopped. Recovered to some degree. Tried taking it again. crashed. I understand that most likely this harmless supplement shouldn’t have any connection with crashing. might be coincidence, but still it happened 3 times.
Hi, you didn’t recover completely from your micro crashes right? Sad to hear that… give some time. This condition of us is very weird, i remember the first day of my crash and the ongoing days. I was fine in all aspects except of low semen volume. But there is also a concern that Accutane somehow lowered my potential height or something… It’s just a obsessive concern of mine, i used the drug at the age of 16 and got persistent sexual problems due to it. Until now, i didn’t notice any problems on erections. Though, there is a loss of morning woods since the first day. My concern is that, if my morning woods are mostly went away 4 years ago and my semen volume is low, isn’t this is a hormonal problem and mostly an Estrogen superiority?
If so, there is a high chance that this hormonal imbalance impaired my height grow process… im 1.78 but i always thought i should have been taller. Is there any chance that just 4 pills of Accutane could damaged my height process? Science says Estrogen dominance can impair the height and make you smaller for up to 2 inches… i don’t care my sexuality because height is more important to me right now…
Many doctors and people said that i should not concern about my height cuz it is impossible to impair my height on such a low dose… funny, yeah its the same dose which gave me low semen volume for 4 years now… i don’t believe to anybody these days… I just hope that drug damaged spesific areas of my body tissues and it leaved my other functions normal, like bone growth… My bloodworks (Gh and igf-1) are also not so high though… shit.
The only thing i know that accutane negatively affects a brain metabolism in the orbitofrontal cortex which is responsible for cognitive processes and decision making. Hard to tell anything about height, but 1.78 cm is not short.
I don’t believe any of those actually raise testosterone. Maybe in some unique circumstances, but not for many.
This is my ongoing theory on this whole escapade:
Due to our 5ar not functioning ‘correctly’, (I say correctly, because it still operates but much lower than baseline), any time we raise our androgens (Testosterone) either exogenously or by exercise, it simply aromatizes to estrogen. That’s fine, that’s supposed to happen. However, there is a decreased reduction of testosterone to DHT.
So, supplementation of T for some helps if their aromatization is suited for that. But for others, who don’t produce enough DHT from T, the estrogen levels are left “unchecked”, if you will.
Separately, if one supplements too much DHT, the estrogen is negated significantly to the point one will feel terrible.
This is the problem I am putting together here. It seems to me this has to be a two-fold process. Initially, T-levels must be maintained, and then the appropriate DHT level must by attained to oppose the increase in estrogen.
From personal experience, I followed CD Nuts protocol from the get-go because it has the most verifiable progress among PFS members - fact. Disagree or agree, makes no difference to me.
I made great gains on 30 day R Andro cycles, but it wasn’t until I went on a 4 andro cycle (raise testosterone) that I maintained testicular function. I now produce enough testosterone off 4 andro.
Now when I do R andro the same dose as I did, 4 caps a day, I feel terrible. Crushed estrogen. However, if I do one cap a day like I am now, I’m at 90%. I’m opposing the correct amount of estrogen.
I have ordered Proviron and will substitute the R andro for low doses of it when it arrives, but as of right this very second, I am doing well. This time last year, almost to the date, I was in the worst shape I had ever been in my life.
Let me know what you think about what I have said, and if interested, check this out:
Aromatase Excess Syndrome
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RCouldn’t find your memeber story. When did you stop fin?
In earnest, I stopped at around June of 2017. Then, through vanity, attempted to save hair through RU, SawP, CB, various anti-androgen. Minox, everything
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Hi @Trump_1776 could you share what R-Andro product you are using. I tried one and not sure if it was the right stuff, didn’t feel anything from it. Thanks!
Iron mag labs super r andro. One thing that I’ve noticed with guys trying it (including myself) is that the first cycle is not very pronounced. Some respond immediately, I responded my second cycle
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I’ve ordered some of that as well. A lot of it actually. I’m going to try that + herb cycling + low carb/paleo/whatever you want to call it diet. Those seems to be very common traits in nearly every recovery story
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Thanks @Trump_1776 and @ncsugrad - I’m actually finding it unorderable/sold out everywhere, do you guys have a specific source or site I can try visiting?
Thats what i was worried about. Word was it was getting discontinued.
I recommend getting proviron, but its harder to get. You could also order the contents of super r andro via alibaba
Thanks @Trump_1776 I wonder if there is an analogue product I can try. I did find this on Ebay but it says its an old bottle that expires 12/18. Do you think it’s worth a shot?
You can still buy it direct until they run out, but yeah, supposedly it’s been discontinued. I bought 4 or 5 bottles of it today and now that I’m doing some math I’m seeing even that won’t last too terribly long if you use 3-400mg per day for month or whatever. Only gets you 60 days or so… so I guess 2 cycles if you did a month at a time?
The expired stuff is fine. That’s mostly what I just bought… they only have like 3 left
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Yeah, that’s it. If you google ironmaglabs coupon code you can find a code for free shipping too
When i get my proviron i will make the call If i recommend it
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Hopefully Proviron helps you. It seems hit or miss… it always made me feel worse in terms of genital sensitivity, but makes some people feel like super man, as I’m sure you already know
I really wish I had known about stuff like this BEFORE the whole PFS debacle… I’d love to see how it made me feel when I was “normal”