Returning to baseline after Androgenic supplement induced ''micro crash''

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#21

Yes, I think dosage is a big deal as well as whether your testosterone levels are sufficient.

Too many extraneous factors here. Time, testosterone, 5ar capabilities, estrogen levels… Etc.

For instance some people felt terrible on the first R andro cycle, some feel nothing, some feel great. Repeated cycles warrant better responses, and then in my case less is more. My 2nd cycle I was doing 4 caps a day and was “cured,” or felt so. Now, I can’t do 4 caps a day as my estrogen plummets and I become a zombie.

I believe the same applies for proviron. The main difference with proviron that I’m excited about is that it can also raise free testosterone.

So hopefully, starting low and finding the right dosage, I’ll receive the benefits of the DHT and the free T.

Another thing I’d like to mention is just how differently the various AAS can make you feel. Folks on HS and here I’m sure report a wide variety of responses.

In all, priming yourself before them is key, which is an integral part of the CD protocol as well.

I’m getting proviron off alibaba from a good source I’ve used for various products. I’m curious to see how customs handles it. I should get it soon I’d imagine.

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#22

What was your “cured” state benefits?
Healthy, normal orgasms? Normal semen volume and erections?

#23

Yup, all was well.

#24

Even now at the 1 cap a day that i’m doing leading up to the proviron has me at great orgasms and semen volume- i forgot to mention.
I get erections, they just aren’t as powerful as I know they could be.

The other thing I’m putting money on is that just like testosterone TRT, it can take up to 6 months in some circumstances to regain adequate function. There is no reason to think the same wouldn’t apply to DHT.

Thus, I’ll be taking the proviron for a longer period of time, and will judge usage based on progress. But just like propecia took 6 months to see a difference in hair, I imagine at the very least that DHT would take the same to help sexual function!

I will add that after 4 andro, I do enjoy my hobbies again. I’m in the middle of doing some woodworking now, actually. I used to be outside constantly and PFS made me a cave dweller. Lost a huge part of my life for too long.

If anyone reading this considers 4 andro, I must add that after 3 weeks of usage at even a low dose, once stopping I crashed very badly and had to use clomid to start me up again. It was a very bad feeling being shut down, but I ended up coming out of it significantly better off. Due to this, I can’t recommend it but I also can’t not recommend it.

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#25

Were you at a point where orgasms felt close to pleasureless? That seems to be mine and @Coopers hardest symptom to resolve

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#26

Hmm… I don’t believe that was ever a huge problem of mine

#27

Mines are not pleasureless, sorry. They are fine actually. But still it’s not like the pre-Accutane state. I feel something is going worse and worse through this 4 years of period. (I took it 4 years ago, didn’t notice any problem besides the semen volume) It’s weird that i realized my other problems just now, months ago… im really not sure, even from myself. Thanks.

#28

What are your other problems? All you ever post about is dull orgasms and low semen volume. Do you have a member story?

#29

I have a member story, kind of. Yeah those two are my major problems but i feel like mildly damaged from other aspects too. Today i just realized i have a weak urine stream… its constant but the urine comes out slow and weak. I remember the old times, my urine would splash in to the toilet and i remember me trying to control the stream with my fingers for not pissing all over the room. Now, it just streams easily downwards… i have also loss of morning woods and my erections are not hardrock always. Many times they feel weak… anyone got this weak urine problem?

#30

I took tribulus and actually got worse. Normally it would do nothing or improve my symptoms, its a new brand I was trying so I dont know.

#31

So, did you recover from it? Did you recover to your baseline?
My supplements made me worse, and it looks like even though ive been off for 4 months, i didn’t recover from it… Hovewer, weird thing is i notice my lack of libido and erection quality loss just right now… i mean i used the supplements 4 months ago and my hourglass penis got worse when flaccid, so i stopped it. I didn’t notice any other worsenings, but slowly month after month i start to realize im worse then i was. My erections got softer, libido worsened and i still have flaccid hourglass penis from time to time. My only question is:

  • Is there any chance or possibility that getting worse after quitting the androgenic supplements for months?! I mean if they really made me worse, shouldn’t i notice the “micro crash” on the day of the usage? Why im going worse day by day instead of returning to my standart baseline? Am i stressing myself out or am i actually getting worse even though i stopped taking the supplements 4 months ago?
    Has anyone experienced something like this? Please please! I need serious help on this… :confused:
#32

My post is 3 weeks old. About 1-2 weeks ago I felt very good again, even better than baseline. After that I crashed again.

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#33

Can you explain what these crashes are like for you?

#34

bascially typical pfs symptoms, weaker erretions, sensations, less libido re occuring. Not really a crash in a sense that it occurs overnight, just worsening of sexual functions.

I would say its more the opposite I have a certain pfs baseline which I tend to drop back onto.

#35

So not a sudden change, more a fluctuation of symptoms?

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#36

As for me, yes! It’s exactly what happened to me…
I slowly realized my sexual functions went down. No “crash” feeling. Never experienced sudden changes. My only crash was low semen volume in the second day of the Accutane usage, then i quit. Didn’t experienced anything besides it. However, slowly, after visiting this forums, i realized i had also morning wood loss and more numb orgasms. Also developed flaccid hourglass penis after 6 months of the usage. Hourglass and other things except low semen volume were went away before i took androgenic supplements 3 months ago. For 3 months my overall sexual symptoms gotten worse…

Do you have anything to say about this?

Is this a micro “crash”? Or am i just obsessing about my situation? I want to compare myself with all other severe members here to objectively calculate my own damage. Thanks…

#37

excatly. Only fluctuation of symptoms. Could be supplement related because I usually stop them after initially taking them. But for tribulus I got slightly worse and then after a week I got better.

@Cooper
You should try supplements again. But I cant tell you what kind of supplements. You seem the type who gets worse when inducing androgen or androgen alike substances. Maybe you try aminoc acids o progesteron cream, or get another bloodtest to make sure your testo levels havent gone down.

#38

I screwed up as well with taking a very flavanol-rich cocoa which makes it feel almost like a repeat of when I first withdrew from fin. There must be stories of people who fully recovery from 2nd+ crashes.

#39

Have you recovered from that? If so how? Are you on your baesline again?

#40

Hopeless, what did you use and experienced fluctations? Also have you recovered from that? What kind of symptoms start to gotten worse? Please explain a little.
Thanks.