Restarting HPTA

[dgreene]

After reading some of the forums, I have some questions regarding why restarting the HPTA does not work.

Is it because when we increase testosterone (via clomid, try, etc.) it all becomes estrogen which then signals the body to reduce testosterone? Has anyone tried to raise testosterone while boosting 5AR activity?

Maybe our bodies are in a loop where all T–>E which inhibits further production of T and we need to break this loop. Maybe we need to force our bodies to do more T–> DHT conversion and then raise testosterone.

Has anyone tried clomid (or w/e) while taking a lot of tribulus terretris or other things that supposedly increase 5AR activity? Or maybe loading up on tribulus before boosting T?

[spstriken]

@dgreene

After reading some of the forums, I have some questions regarding why restarting the HPTA does not work.

Is it because when we increase testosterone (via clomid, try, etc.) it all becomes estrogen which then signals the body to reduce testosterone? Has anyone tried to raise testosterone while boosting 5AR activity?

Maybe our bodies are in a loop where all T–>E which inhibits further production of T and we need to break this loop. Maybe we need to force our bodies to do more T–> DHT conversion and then raise testosterone.

Has anyone tried clomid (or w/e) while taking a lot of tribulus terretris or other things that supposedly increase 5AR activity? Or maybe loading up on tribulus before boosting T?

tribulus doesn’t increase 5AR activity. where did you learn this? it increase your LH which boosts T production. our problem is faster or only possilbe conversion of T to E which is correct.

[alanc]

@dgreene

After reading some of the forums, I have some questions regarding why restarting the HPTA does not work.

Is it because when we increase testosterone (via clomid, try, etc.) it all becomes estrogen which then signals the body to reduce testosterone? Has anyone tried to raise testosterone while boosting 5AR activity?

Maybe our bodies are in a loop where all T–>E which inhibits further production of T and we need to break this loop. Maybe we need to force our bodies to do more T–> DHT conversion and then raise testosterone.

Has anyone tried clomid (or w/e) while taking a lot of tribulus terretris or other things that supposedly increase 5AR activity? Or maybe loading up on tribulus before boosting T?

I was thinking of this kind of “restart” too. Instead of tribulus I was thinking of Proviron (Mesterolone) which is the methly form of DHT (so doesn’t require 5 alpha reductase) just for the period of “retart”, then maybe some Protodioscin (the part of Tribulus that activates 5AR) to ensure adequate 5AR post “restart”.

Here is some info on Protodioscin to boost 5AR:

libilov.com/en/clinical_studies/review_Arsyad_1996.htm
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12804079
thefreelibrary.com/The+ho…-a0176473936

[alanc]

@dgreene

After reading some of the forums, I have some questions regarding why restarting the HPTA does not work.

Is it because when we increase testosterone (via clomid, try, etc.) it all becomes estrogen which then signals the body to reduce testosterone? Has anyone tried to raise testosterone while boosting 5AR activity?

Maybe our bodies are in a loop where all T–>E which inhibits further production of T and we need to break this loop. Maybe we need to force our bodies to do more T–> DHT conversion and then raise testosterone.

Has anyone tried clomid (or w/e) while taking a lot of tribulus terretris or other things that supposedly increase 5AR activity? Or maybe loading up on tribulus before boosting T?

I was thinking that this type of “restart” might be successful too but I was interested in using Proviron (Mesterolone) to ensure adequate DHT. Proviron (Mesterolone) is the methyl form of dht and also has the benefit of binding with SHBG and Albumin freeing up some of your Testosterone. Post “restart” I was thinking of supplementing with protodioscin, which is the part of Tribulus which boost 5AR, to ensure adequate DHT levels continue.

There are some concerns about Proviron feedback and actually lowering natural test and dht but this is only when the body thinks that DHT is too high, so I wander whether supplementing with Proviron when DHT was low to begin with would have the shutdown effect?

Here are some on the effectiveness of protodioscin (tribulus) in boosting 5AR:

libilov.com/en/clinical_studies/review_Arsyad_1996.htm
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12804079
thefreelibrary.com/The+hormonal+effects+of+Tribulus+terrestris+and+its+role+in+the…-a0176473936