Restarting Fin? Staying on Fin or tapering off Fin?

Possibly an auto immune reaction against dht. By suppressing dht you have stopped the reaction, you should consider slowly tapering off right now.

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Thing is, people are not interested in being deceived about even small things, especially about a condition that severely affects their life.

I highly doubt you will find many people here interested in re-taking Finasteride or Dutasteride ever again, after the condition it has left us in.

Does your ā€œreactionā€ tell us anything? Sorry, but personally I’m not even sure I believe that you are re-taking the drugs again, and even if you are, that what you are stating is true. There really is no way to gauge the authenticity of yours or anyone else’s statements online, anonymously, so if you have deceived people in the past, they are not apt to believe you in the future. Not to mention your incessant posts/constant new threads do come off as a bit of an obsessive hypochondriac at times, and you originally came to this forum due to a ā€œred patchā€ on your forehead and no other problems.

Rather than argue about this though, why don’t you email Dr. Irwig and Traish and see what they have to say about your experience, if they believe it.

Thanks for putting forward an idea rather than moaning Tim. It is genuinely appreciated. I was thinking about tapering off starting from tomorrow by reducing the dosage to 1 capsule per week although i quite fancy staying on it for a little while because i feel like things might get better. They could get worse of course but i swore to drop it completely if my penis dropped off or something :laughing:

What a pathetic post!

You seem to be forgetting that every single one our stories on this forum is anecdotal. Furthermore, i am not encouraging anyone else to try this. My only interest is getting myself better. I am simply asking you all to try and possibly take something from this, can we rule anything out?

Damn right i am obsessed. Yes, finasteride gave me a strange rash on my forehead to begin with along with watery semen and aching testicles. It then completely ruined my sexual functioning, my cognitive ability, my personality, my zest for life - pretty much everything. Wouldn’t you obsessed if this happened to you at 19 years old?

Mew, if you have an issue with what i am doing then ban me. I literally couldn’t give a fuck, despite how much i use the forum.

Yes, of course people’s stories are anecdotal – the problem is when you purposely deceive people and admit it (albeit a minor detail, 6 vs 2 caps), it can impact your credibility. Look at what happened with solonjk and his ā€œprostatitisā€ thread… he destroyed his own credibility due to his own actions/inactions.

Most people assume that what someone posts is true, but if it sounds too outlandish etc, questions may start to arise. By casting doubt over your own posts through discrepancies, you may instill doubt in the mind of the reader.

Bottom line: we have enough shit to deal with rather than wonder if what you are posting is true or not. Nobody is interested in being deceived or taken advantage of, especially when it comes to their health, so for you to promote re-taking the very poison that caused our issues in the first place, you will be severely questioned/scrutinized.

  1. I am sorry for lying about taking 6 capsules. I saw the same old names pop up talking crap for no reason. You are going to have to take my word for it when i tell you that i am taking 1-2 capsules of Avodart daily.

  2. I am not promoting anything

  3. Can you tell me how people are being taken advantage of? what sort of advantage am i gaining by informing the forum of my experience with Avodart

Mew, if you are upset about this thread or about me taking 5 AR inhibitors then just delete the thread and ban me, it’s as simple as that. What are you left with? 1 less person trying something and reporting back on the bodily reactions.

This is all very interesting, but potentially dangerous, too.

Bluecloud - i think you have the responsibilility to add from the outset that you’ve had several ā€œexcellentā€ recoveries for brief times. One of which was from finasteride - but it didn’t last for whatever reason.

Be careful on the duta.

That said, i definately find it strange how most ā€œPFSā€ victims used fin and not dut despite dut being stronger.

mew, for the love of god don’t ban/delete this/him…

bluecloud, I believe what you are saying because I have read information regarding side effects being induced after stopping finasteride and I’m trying to find the information right now to see why this is happening… it’ll be some time, but I will find it.

i do think it’s def. the wrong way to treat this tho and shouldnt be done by anyone else who is even remotely thinking about it because the mechanisms taking place are largely unknown/researched…

some food for thought right now…

what i’m thinking is that since 5AR2 is inhibited by finasteride, it could make the DHT/5AR2 receptors in our body way more sensitive because the body was trying to reach an equalibrium while we were on the drug… by decreasing 5AR2 again, perhaps you have brought the equalibirium balance back…

but what i’m worried is if this balance is a permanent balance to stay while you stay on that drug, or if it will continue to increase the sensitivity to 5AR2/DHT in the body since you keep depleting the source… plus i really don’t know how duasteride works in comparison to fin.

Guys, let’s get a few things straight to avoid people saying the SAME things again and again…

I am well aware that this comes with risks. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that putting an extremely powerful 5 AR inhibitor into a body that has already been broken by a less powerful 5 AR inhibitor could make things much, much worse. How many times do i have to get the point across that i am not telling everyone to go away and take 5 AR inhibitors? this is my experiment and i am simply reporting my reactions. Don’t get me wrong, i would be happy if someone else tried it purely because i would be interested to see how others react. If others reacted positively it would be a MAJOR breakthrough and you all know it.

Call me crazy, stupid, whatever you like, but at the end of the day we have NO IDEA why we all ended up in this mess after quitting finasteride. Notice the key word there ā€˜QUITTING’. Let’s not forget that most of us ā€˜crashed’ at about 3-4 weeks off the drug when the hormones and neurotransmitters that i am suppressing right now (DHT, Allopregnanolone and probably many others) came back. Is it that crazy to re trace our steps and see what happens?

I don’t want to talk about this too much because for all i know i might grow a vagina by tomorrow. I just came in here to give an update because when i woke up with a real morning erection today, i couldn’t believe it. The sensitivity was low and i didn’t feel horny or anything but morning wood like that is something i have been wanting to achieve for a long, long time!

Please try to not repeat the same things or ridicule me from now on. I would rather the thread be deleted if it’s just going to end up cluttered with back and forth nonsense. It would great if people could discuss there thoughts on this though, if they have any.

Blase messaged me at one point with a theory about DHT being pro inflammatory, which he tied in with nerve problems and prostatitis. He mentioned one or maybe two guys feeling better after using saw palmetto. I thought that was quite interesting.

I bet Oscar is having a wonderful time reading through these posts :laughing:

Guys, one thing i will tell you is that my body temperature has dropped insanely low. 35 degrees C spot on. I have no idea why i am feeling good when my temperature is this low but i will be very interested to see whether it rises as i come off the drug.

I wonder if 5 AR inhibitors could quite simply lower body temperature which then leads to all sorts of catastrophic stuff?

I have purchased a new thermometer as i could not believe it at first and assumed it was broke

My guess is that there are many more patients using Propecia for hair loss than dutasteride. This would be due to the fact that only Propecia is FDA approved for hairloss which also makes the drug much more well known to the general public since it is illegal for GSK to market Avodart for off-label uses.

As an aside, from an objective standpoint, I find it a bit troubling that Bluecloud (UK20) made up the idea of being on 6 daily pills of dutasteride. I personally have no idea why he would do this but it will certainly lead to additional scrutiny of future posts.

For anyone interested in this whole thing my advice is this:

There is a much safer and probably better way of testing this theory of our bodies being overly sensitive to DHT or whatever. That is, by lowering your DHT via progesterone supplementation.

Progesterone inhibits DHT and estrogen. So in theory you could actually lower DHT without having the classic estrogenic sides that fin gives people.

All that said, i think that the initial ā€œgainsā€ from fin or dut are probably the initial increase in testosterone.

More concerning is the fact that we don’t have anyone on this forum that used finasteride at 5 mg for BPH which is still very popular apparently.

Progesterone is an awesome idea because it has many other benefits too. I wish i looked into progesterone, zinc and B6 and other natural things before using finasteride.

I took 3 capsules of dutasteride last night and i just seem to be at my fairly dire baseline now. Although my mood and motivation are better than usual. At about 2 weeks off i might jump on some Nolvadex to bring down estrogen as hormones return.

Progesterone is a feminizing hormone typically given to sexual offenders to chemically castrate them. Something to keep in mind.

That’s a ridiculously simplistic statement from such a knowledgable individual.

Just like bigger dosages of fin is used for BHP whislt smaller dosages are used for MPB, it’s all about dosage and details. Various drugs are used in different dosages for sometimes opposite effects.

My recommendation of progesterone was as a better option than using fin or dut. I haven’t met one guy who exhibits persistent ā€œPFSā€ symptoms from progesterone…

Furthermore, it’s fin and spiro etc that transgenders use more - im not aware of progesterone being used by that community.

My g/f takes progesterone for birth control.

And?

Thats all.

That’s good to know :mrgreen:

I thoughts so, just incase you were wondering why you couldnt get pregnant while supplementing with it. :wink: