Questions for Dr. Shippen? I'm going to see him soon

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#12

I mean, yea… I think he believes that I could fully recover, or at least get a WHOLE lot better than I was.

Right now, all the medicine he’s got me on is great.

The HCG and B12 combination-injection seems to help with my sleep, mood, and I think it may even make me more aggressive (which may make sense considering it’s raising my testosterone).

The generic Viagra supplements he gave me for blood flow, libido, and growing my penis size back has worked so-so. Like, my dick hasn’t gone back to hanging like normal… it still kinda stays in this “soft-erect” state, which kinda sucks… but other than that, at least it gets bigger flacid on those pills and HOOOO-A-LEEEEEE HELL does that stuff work for getting an erection xD I got an erection this morning and was just looking at my dick in the mirror like DAMMMMM!!

Lastly, the Testosterone PG drops have been great too. They make me kinda hyper I think and I believe they may even give me better focus temporarily. Like I was playing a video game after taking some today, and I was wrecking EVERYONE and I was just thinking “Why is my aim and intuition so good on this game right now?” They also supposedly seem to be helping with some of the facial sagging I’ve had, although it’s probably barely any progress right now if any… that being said, I’m really only two days into this stuff so I’m ok with that.

#13

What about your Libido?

#14

Libido was definitely back.

Well, it’s weird. Even when my libido was quote on quote “dead”, I would still check out chicks all the time.

Now with the medicine, it’s like I just get a surge of energy throughout a part of the day, and my junk can get hard as hell if the moment strikes.

Haven’t got to use it on any girls yet (one girl is down but our schedule’s never match), but I can tell you the stuff i’m on workkkkkks

#15

Honestly, my libido comes and goes.

My thing with libido though is that I feel I messed up my own libido long ago due to an addiction to porn.
In actuality, I think many of the guys here may be suffering from a drained libido brought about by porn addiction as well (certainly not everyone on this site, but many).

Check this website out:

yourbrainonporn.com/

But anyways, yea, my libido comes and goes. Basically what i’ve noticed so far is that with the new meds, I get boners about every day, but I’ll only get really “in the mood” if I abstain from masturbating for about two days. If I do masturbate, my libido goes back to IDGAF mode and I won’t really be interested in hitting up any girls.

#16

Seriously… there wouldn’t be lawsuits if that were the case, or research studies in progress on men who took Finasteride. Please use some common sense, especially considering men took a drug that have the various reported side effects listed on the label, which continue to persist despite discontinuation.

#17

I am using common sense Mew.

Please notice the fact that I didn’t state anywhere that all men suffering lowered libido after taking Finasteride were suffering because of porn addiction.

I simply believe that porn addiction causes many psychological issues that many men don’t notice until it becomes a problem. Taking into consideration the average amount of pornos many men watch these days, I’m just stating I believe that many men lower their libidos naturally and unconsciously by watching so much porn to begin with. Now throw Finasteride into the mix, and it probably becomes or at least seems that much worse.

For many on here (except perhaps those already with full-blown ED), I honestly believe participating in a no porn, no fap challenge could really help with their libidos and mindsets.
It certainly has helped me before and is something that many, many people have witnessed great results from. Just look into the site if you don’t believe me.

#18

Its just not relevant at all. This forum is about propecia related illness/side effects. If you are that interested in porn addiction then go to a website that discusses that.

#19

Yeah pretty much, since its a waste of time and money.

#20

Yeah it’s the great irony and sadness about this. When we are sixk we naturally want to reach out to doctors to help. Doctors inadvertently pulled us into the propecia trap because of their lack of knowledge of hormone therapy. Now that we are sick we are learning the huge gaps in their knowledge of the basics as it pertains to drugs they pass out. As equally frightening as passing out dangerous drugs are the PFS docs offering treatment for an underlying condition that hasn’t been identified and they sure as hell have no idea what to do. A smart doc for most of us would immediately recommend T, although the literature supports not giving it and results are quite speculative for most therapies. So really a catch 22. We need docs to help us experiment with new protocols and to think outside of their comfort zones, but even then this problem is out of their leagues. The medical scam continues.

#21

Doctors are basically useless, even the research ones are moving at a snails pace and their not approaching it from a treatment standpoint. Their just doing it in the academic sense, they don’t seem to want to discuss the science behind any of it, mostly and probably because they dismiss the opinions and experiences of non-doctors.

You can keep paying to go to these PFS specialists, I wasted a few hundred dollars on them myself, but you probably won’t get very far.

We’d all be better off paying for our own genetic analysis, a few thousand per individual is what I think the cost is… hell knows it would be a lot faster than the studies currently doing these genetic analysis.

#22

WTF is WRONG with you people?!

Seriously, you’re depicting doctor’s help as USELESS?! Even doctors like Shippen who RECOGNIZE what we’re going through?

For your information, I feel a HELL of a lot better after seeing Shippen. I don’t think of killing myself everyday, I’m not depressed everyday, and my dick isn’t the size of a dill pickle everyday.

Seeing him DID help, ALOT. My old self has come back some, and for that I am thankful.

They’re not SCAMMING you, they’re trying to HELP you. FFS, you realize part of the reason people feel like there is no hope on this site is because of the half of you who just immediately shoot down any idea of getting better?

And as for the whole porn topic I brought up, I don’t believe it’s entirely irrelevant considering many of you complain of a lowered libido and I was trying to state a way in which you could increase you libido. Many people who hold off from masturbation experience great benefits, one of them reported often is increased libido.

#23

Atticus,

If you are feeling better, we are all very excited. Merck has made most of us too sick to fight back so anyone who is battling just to stay alive in all this deserves credit.

As for the doctor issue, yes at least guys like Shippen have been acknowledging PFS. One less ignorant doctor peddling this poison. As for what we thought about doctors though, men like him are no different then stem cell clinics in India. They haven’t a clue what is wrong with you but more than happy to charge you a fuck load of money to give it their best shot.

If he and other docs were truly altrustic, they wouid share their protocols to help as many as possible but clearly there is a reason they don’t. I saw Jacobs a few months back and asked why if he has seen so many patients and even he acknowledges this as a molecular level disfunction, why he hasn’t tried to employ the help of labs to do a more thorough analysis of PFS. I wonder why others like Shippen who have the volume don’t actually try to study this. Isn’t that what medicine is all about? Our lives are on the line here. This isn’t a game to us and it certainly isn’t a business. The only authority any doctor can claim with PFS is his insight into the condition. And I am not impressed with how little a contribution any of these doctors has made in even attempting to study our condition.

#24

What precisely has he given you that has helped?

#25

HCG, B12, Testosterone PG drops, and a generic version of Viagra.

Get an erection at least once to twice a day without any use of porn, and overall have a much better outlook on life.

While continuing using this medicine, checking in with Dr. Shippen, checking up with my dermatologist, working out, and continuing the No Fap challenge, I believe I am on my way to seeing great recovery/results.

#26

Well at least he’s doing it the right way, giving you HCG with your testosterone, most guys here on test are taking it by itself.

#27

I seriously wish I could find the answer to figuring out how to fix the loose skin this drug has caused me though.

Like, the muscle wastage can be fixed… that just takes time… but the fact that the skin around my cheeks is loose makes everyday life so annoying.

Fillers are NOT a great option in my opinion. You’d have to spend sooooo much money to try and fill up what finasteride has taken away, and fillers wouldn’t even be a permanent result.

At this point, unless my face somehow tightens back up through exercise and balancing out my hormones, I’m looking into Ultherapy or a mid face lift sometime in the near future…

AND I’M ONLY 24.

Merck is such a corrupt piece of **** company

#28

can you post a photo?

#29

Sounds incredibly expensive. That’s a lot of drugs for something which nobody truly knows the mechanics of yet.

#30

I’d rather not.

Right now, my face probably looks fine and young to the common person, but I get people telling me “you look tired” regularly now because of the dark circles under my eyes that formed, and I know for a fact my cheeks have dropped causing nasolabial folds .

If I bounce up and down or run I can literally feel my cheeks moving. It’s entirely abnormal for someone my age with my bodyfat.

#31

Is the skin on your face/cheeks now stretchy and/or fall with gravity?

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