Protocol to beat this

I have to wonder if many of the stories around getting into superb shape, and thus, making people feel better are simply a factor of them… getting into shape. Getting into top performance will make anyone feel better and will definitely have an effect on our sides. I was in pretty fantastic health (run a 6 minute mile, lift weights, no fat/toned, young 32 year old) before taking FIN and then after FIN sides hit, I went into workout overload (cdnuts protocol), working out 6 days a week and getting into peak performance, but it never reaaaaally budged anything for me long term.

This is NOT to take away from anyone getting into shape, or put down the shape they were in before. But every time I read how working out has really helped people, I have to wonder what baseline they we’re coming from. If they are coming from a general ‘out-of-shape’ starting point, then working out hard for a few months will make anyone feel as if they are getting better. But it isn’t really affecting the core mechanism of PFS, it’s simply make the vessel by which PFS travels in a little healthier, and by result, makes the person feel they are getting cured. I have to wonder if the androgen effects from working out are improving or destroying our actual PFS symptoms.

Just food for thought.

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Yes I did have ejaculation without orgasm. I’ve had very dim orgasm as well, asking myself why do I bother having sex at all if that’s what I get. It’s more obvious in the morning, so as a rule, I have sex only during afternoon or evening. Afternoon being better, because I’m fully awake and sensations are better.

It’s getting better. But first things first. I believe pfs is in part due to an autoimmune response. So that’s the first thing to address and ketogenic / carnivore diet are reputed to do exactly that (they fix leaky guts and ulcerated colon and get rid of food allergies which are causing auto immune response and inflammation).

Cereals (which contains phyto-estrogen and are notorious for food allergies) and sugar is to be eliminated (at least until you fixed your guts, and then you can only take a little. Like 20 gr a day). Fruits and vegetables also have to be eliminated. Plants can’t run from predators so they develop chemicals to protect themselves. Those chemicals makes them hard to digest, creates inflammation and makes us bloated. They also change the flora of the guts which greatly affects mood and the chemistry of the brain.

When I started the diet, I was on a 100% carnivore diet. The only non-meat product I would have was coconut oil, as it prevents colon cancer which is linked to eating too much red meat. Also with time, I eliminated most meat except beef. Chicken is fed with soya protein and will get your estrogen up. Pork is fine for lunch, but hard to digest so not good for dinner. When you go to sleep, you don’t want to be digesting anything. Fat fish are full of omegas, to which I’m reacting badly. Lean (white) fish is fine and easy to digest. makes a good evening meal.
As for vegetable, I only eat 2 or 3, for their properties. I treat them as food supplement. So I eat mostly kale because it’s a super-food and a powerhouse in vitamin and minerals. It’s about 5 times more nutritious than broccoli or spinach, which we all know to be nutritious. It’s also full of DIM, which I use to prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen but i won’t get too much it into as It’s controversial. Spirulina would be a good choice but I went for chlorella instead as it is the most powerful detoxifier. I drink fresh cabbage juice in the evening. It’s great for protecting the stomach and it helps me sleep better (I don’t know why)

Anyway. I’m making this too long. L-Valine, L-Dopa, L-Carnitine (with muscle building) will help sensibility. But only if you stopped your auto immune response and the body’s level of inflammation. And I think you have to saturate your body with protein and saturated fat (which are the building material for cells, hormones and the nervous system)

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Yes, that contributes to a great extend. But my approach is to saturate the body with amino acids and saturated fat so it can build and repair what needs to be. But that won’t work if I sit in front of my computer all day.

I exercise not for the muscle of for swimming 50 lapses. I’m an intellectual. In the past, I though of those as trivial, boring and a waste of time. I’ve changed my mind about it though. Not only it makes the body feels better, but it increases the blood flow to the brain. You can actually raise your IQ and increase your focus by exercising. It’s great for the brain !

But the main reason I’m doing it is to increase my body’s metabolism. This way, not only it creates more natural growth hormone, but it makes greater use of all those aminos and saturated fat. It makes the body work more and faster, thus healing faster. Plus creating muscle also creates new, hopefully healthier androgen receptors.

Many aminos will only activate with exercise. Like L-Tyrosine. I jump on the trampoline after taking it, to build up a sweat and get my heart pumping.

After taking L-Carnitine, I do weight lifting. If I don’t make muscle, Carnitine will have no place to go and will be flushed.

This is my approach. I’m sharing what works for me. I’m not trying to impose my views on anyone. Plus I know for a fact that when pfs threw us off balance, we all ended up in a different, unique fucked up state of imbalance. What works for one may not for another. That’s no secret. But it’s also why I took an all on approach and decided to give my body everything it needs in large amounts (an to eliminate all that’s hurting it). Then it can sort out what needs to be used to fix what’s broken and to flush what’s not needed.

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@Ozeph
You sure you react bad to omega3? Iam supplementing 3g (EPA/DHA combined) and Iam wondering if I have a bad response to them because its likely.

Yes I am. I bought the bottle, took it 3 days, felt bad about it and stopped. Then I was better.

Some people like to do blood test and have a specialist tell them if they’re doing good or not. It has it’s virtues but it’s also costly and takes time.

I just take a supplement, wait a few days and see how I feel. I’ve discovered new ways of feeling weird I never felt before ! If a supplement makes me feel bad or weird in a bad way, it’s out. If I don’t feel any change I may keep it and if I feel better, I definitely do keep it. However, if it feels too good (as in too good to be true) I will reduce it because there’s a chance of overreaching the state of balance and falling on the other side.

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I’ve thought this quite a bit lately. I wonder how many of the “symptoms have improved” threads are simply people boosting their Sex Drive/mood/whatever issue they had, which would have happened due to what they were taking regardless of PFS.

i.e. maybe if they had never taken fin but they took all these amino acids worked out, etc. they would go from their normal 100% to 130%. Now, due to fin, their baseline is 50%, so maybe the same thing boosts people to 80% for the same reason it would have boosted them anyways

That isn’t to say it’s really “curing” PFS, but I guess if it feels better in the end, improvement is what really matters

Finally no classified protocols?

nope.

can you take the survey and help us out so we can find a protocol to beat it?

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There should be a “My personal recovery protocol” section on this site

Where people break down exactly what they did to recover with brands and portions per day/week, morning or night

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Quite a number of names without survey completion ticks here.

Fill out the survey now and read about “protocols” later, please.

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Oh boy! You are loading up excessively with too much chemicals man! Bear in mind, me and another guy got fucked from Vit K2, so be careful with it!

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I stopped since then after hearing it crashed people.

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Yeah, good choice man. I am still amazed how we can crash so easily from stuff that would not do any harm to a healthy person. Seems to be our bodies are put in constant alert mode and we are so fragile because of that. We have low resistance to stress, dunno if taking supplement is kind of stressing the body too, probably thats why we crash and worsen sometimes by taking stuff…

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Yes. This is one my carnivore / ketogenic diet is basically an elimination diet. I eat around 12 things only, I tested them.

You’d be surprised how much inflammation comes from grains and how pfs worsen that condition.

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Can you share what foods are you eating please?
Thanks

Let’s see. From the largest amount to the smallest:

Beef
Romaine lettuce
Ghee
Coconut milk
MCT oil from coconut oil
Extra Virgin Olive oil
Apple cider vinegar
Macadamias
inulin (a dietary fiber)
Coffee
salt
Stevia (a natural 0 carbs sweetener)

Sometime I change the beef for chicken or pork, or japanese mackerel

Once in a while (every 3-5 days), when I feel I need carbs, I will have a single cracker with macadamia butter and the most natural rasberry jam I could find. Or I would make oatmeal with 30 gr of dry oatmeal.

I found that if I’m having carbs, I don’t sleep as well. But if I do just a little, I feel better overall in the day time.

Note: Olive oil, apple cider vinegar and inulin are new addition, less than a week old. I may have to remove them.

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I am drinking 1tsp apple cider vinegar with water every morning it does help for me. Thanks for the list man :slight_smile:

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I read that carbs improve DHT levels

DHT Manual
http://bit.ly/2oRUWUA

I think this will depend on if your problems are hormonal or if another mechanism is affecting, I know if I can get my T levels to around 450 my wood is good… but right now my levels have lowered a bit after being on TRT.

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How is it we react so bad to supplements.
People says they “crash” on supplement, but probably by crash taking a supplement (not finasteride) they actually mean DRUG HYPERSENSIBILITY.

Did you notice a difference using slow introduction of a supplement?
How many times per week you begin to take them? Twice a week? each other day?