It’s actually dangerous to try and do a prostate massage yourself. You can risk spreading infection to the epididymis or, even more dangerous, in the blood.
Well i was thinking more about the flights.
I can get a return flight to the Phillipines from Australia for $600. A flight to Greece will probably set me back $1800, though i might be able to find a cheaper one. And if i have to fly back several times the cost of the flights could be a major factor.
For any non-europeans please try flying into yhe UK first then out to greece. You will find much better deals that way If I believe some of the prices you guys are talking about.
As for Feliciano, apparently the Greek doc gets patients even Feliciano isnt capable of treating. That speaks volumes.
Where are you getting flights for $1800??
Well i don’t know really i just did a quick google search and saw a link that said “flights from 1799” but that probably has a bunch of conditions with it so it could be a lot more expensive than that even. I was just mainly wanting to get solonjk’s opinion on whether the guy from the Philippines was worth seeing.
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Solonjk, so judging by what you’ve said there, you still have some bacteria that is resisting the antibiotics, is this correct?
Are you at all worried that you’re not going to get better? Is the doc worried that you’re not going to get better? To stay there a month and then have to go back a month later worries me as far as flying all the way over there… I dunno, I’m just trying to weigh it all up. It doesn’t sound like you’ve really gotten much better?
I’m not trying to have a go at you buddy, it’s just that what you’re saying isn’t making me want to jump on a plane from the other side of the world and spend a few thousand euros to get there.
I really wish we could get some former Fin users from that place on this forum. Do you think that could happen Solonjk? Could you convince some of them to jump online and have a chat with us?
I think solon’s situation is a little different then some of ours, because his infection has reached his genitals and such… In my case I dont have genital pain, and I know not every pfs deals with shrinkage and pain in testicles, but I could be mistaken…
I have shrinkage for sure. But no pain in the testicles…
Solon, is it typical for bacteria to spread to other areas, while performing this technique?
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Another study of interest
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18308097
Another few paragraphs on prostate (basic info)
Let’s look at the anatomy. This prostate gland is surrounded by numerous nerves and vessels. The gland is connected to the autonomic nervous system through many inner organs and to the brain through blood hormones released by the testes and the pituitary gland. The Prostate gland is frequently referred to as “the second heart of man.”
When the prostate gland is in a good shape, it sends a healthy message to the pituitary. In its turn the pituitary gland sends messages to other glands such as adrenal, testicles, thyroid etc. to help men to reproduce. As a result, men have plenty of sexual energy, stamina, and metal clarity. The testicles manufacture plenty of testosterone and good quality sperm.
Infection, inflammation, and prostate congestion block the passages and collect prostatic fluids inside these small sacks. These fluids are an easy target for many microbes, viruses and yeasts that cause inflammation-prostatitis. Collected toxic fluids enlarge the prostate; irritate the nervous branches to cause pain and tightness. When the prostate is filled with congested fluids, the message that is sent to the pituitary is to prevent the reproductive process. As the result, the libido and the testosterone levels go down; men become weak, start aging faster and gain weight.
Therapeutic prostate massage milks out the congested fluid (in the same way that a sponge is emptied when it is squeezed), opens passages, shrinks and cleanses the prostate gland. Decreasing the amounts of congested, inflamed and toxic fluids is the main factor in prevention and treatment of prostatitis, BPH, or even cancer. Even the chronic and persistent prostatitis can be improved with the therapeutic prostate massage.
In addition, prostatic massage eliminates adhesions and stimulates blood flow to improve microcirculation. In turn, the prostate receives more blood, oxygen, vital nutrients, and white blood cells to fight with infections.
There is a good reason why the Prostate gland is called “The seat of masculinity” or “Heart of the sexual organs” for. Healthy prostate is related to high levels of testosterone (high libido, better erection). To get strong orgasms, the prostate needs to have open passages, clear liquid prostatic fluid and good, forceful prostatic muscles contraction. Unhealthy prostate results in weak orgasms. Essential action of the prostate massage is to improve the sex lives and to increase libido.
Good find sir.
So I’ve read this whole thread now and i’m in the same boat as all of you. I would love to jaunt over to Kos/Athens to give this a try for a month+…but it’s not feasible.
I find it hard to believe this isn’t going on in more places in the US…
I think its been proposed before but how possible is it that solonjk’s condition became more severe with so much hormonal and other chemical tampering earlier in his treatments, and that others may still greatly benefit from less extreme amounts of massage and antibiotic treatment?
Solonjk…thanks for all your input.
Same, lots of shrinkage on both penis and testicles initially, now… i guess its a bit better but not by a whole bunch. A one restless night ensures small penis 
Most of the time no pain in either one.
One thing that I don’t understand is why we don’t see some of these cured people coming on and commenting. If I found a cure I would like to think I’d be screaming about it from the rooftops. Before I turn my whole life upside down to go to Greece, I would needs to see at least 2-3 more cured former finasteride users to be convinced because it’s a big decision to go and it’s expensive
Perhaps they are not and probably not members of this board. Perhaps they dont know the PFS actually exists nor that this forum even exists… Especially when the doc tells them its just chronic prostatitis that is the culprit of their problems. Hypothetically, if I had this problem that we have, and never made the realization that it was from finasteride. Then later found out down the rode that this might of been the cause of it, I wouldn’t join this forum either to post about it. Frankly I wouldnt give a shit, Id just be happy to be back to normal… Why do you think theres so many damn inactive members on this site… you think they just said, “fuck it, I’m just going to move on with my life.” Hell no they wouldn’t do that, especially if they had bad side effects. They must have got better somehow…I’d go out on a limb to say that the number of inactive members VASTLY outnumbers the active members on this board…
On another note, you’re going to get your wish… getfinauser is going to see him as well apparently, so that will provide more feedback regardless…I’d already be there if I wasn’t in the states. Only so much I can afford right now, which is a lot of people’s problem these days.
Let’s all calm down and wait for at least 5-6 months to see if anyone else has any success. With that being said…
Solonjk, can you give me the doctor’s email please? I want to know what sort of waiting lists he has, and I have some other questions for him. If I could be done with treatment within 1-2 months, it could be viable for me. If I could get dirt cheap flights I would go there just to get the ultrasound.
Well, there’s no need to dissuade anyone with the financial means and opportunity from doing exactly what you’re contemplating: flying out for a diagnostic test. Especially Europeans. The greater the sample size, the better for our collective knowledge.
Stateside, although the treatment technique (direct injections of antibiotic cocktail to the prostate a la the Italian doc & the Chinese center) may or may not be as good as Dr. Georgiades, people could check out Dr. Toth in NY for a DIAGNOSIS.
http://www.fertilitysolution.com/Treatment-for-Chronic-Prostatitis/
FYI, the initial/diagnostic consult with Dr. Toth = $1574 for 1-1.5 hrs
-sonogram (TRUS)
-cultures (2-3 weeks for results)
From there, it’s up to you what you want to do with those results, how/where you’d want to get treated. The quotes I got for daily treaments:
-Antibiotic injection/prostate: $300
-Antibiotic injection/Seminal Vesicles: $300 (if necessary, and typically 5-10 injections required if so)
-10 Days Broad Spectrum IV $400 (if deemed necessary)
These are per/treatment/per day fees. Treatment is typically 10 days, and the latter 2 injections are possibilities, so you’re looking at a max of $1000 per day, up to $10,000 for the full 10-day protocol.
You can find patient reviews of the doc online if you google around, and you can call to try to feel him out / see if he thinks you might be a good candidate. He said my case wasn’t so clear/cut obvious, it was kind of a “maybe” or 50/50, and that I was welcome to do the diagnostic test to see what turned up.
Solon has advised against this treatment technique, but again, if you’re in the U.S., it might be practical for you to do the diagnostic portion.
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