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General Discussion
#1

This is essential.

I believe most (>90%) of men on this forum have either or both of the following:

  1. Gastrointestinal parasites
  2. Systemic yeast or fungal infections.

To detect the latter, Live Blood Microscopy is as good as any test. Please get a concise verbal report from the technician who analyses your live red blood cells under microscope.

Personally, I had no systemic yeast or fungal infection. Dr Emerson analysed my blood in his clinic room and stated I ‘had a bowel condition since I was a child’. Whilst this sounds like quackery, I had multiple food allergies and GI parasites, which when Dr Emerson refocussed the microscope, appeared as a big white blob in each red blood cell.

My blood cells were also slightly ‘stuck together’; ‘rouleaux’ I believe the scientific is.

May I state that it is possible to visualise yeast and fungi affected red cells under the microscope.

I hope this thread proves to be productive, as we are essentially relying on ‘word of mouth’ translations here, from the physician’s mouth to posting on this thread. Please excuse my inarticulacy here. I am ignorant on how to perform live blood microscopy.

Thanks for bearing with me.

JN

#2

I got a full gastro test and I don’t have any fungal/yeast infection

#3

Thanks for your post Bryce, but you didn’t answer the question, did you?
Have you had live blood microscopy performed? Yes or no?

JN

#4

It’s considered by most in the medical community to be a bogus test.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_blood_analysis

quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/livecell.html

guardian.co.uk/society/2005/jul/12/health.science

oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-05-00-00250.pdf

Any so-called medical professional peddling this fraud should have their license revoked, IMO.

#5

Ok. Whilst the medical professionals who have been responsible for your zero progress and ability to keep you in a state of rank suffering should be congratulated, huh? Get real man.

JN

#6

It’s not their fault, they aren’t scientists able to research what the root cause is. Read this to better understand with regards to this issue: viewtopic.php?p=46051#p46051

#7

Mew, for once we are singing off the same song sheet! Doctors are scientists. When a doctor looks down a microscope in analysing a patient’s live blood, he is trying to find the root cause.

Let me know when you want some holistic and scientific analysis of the multi factorial causes for your suffering; I’ll gladly help you.

Have a nice day.

JN

#8

I have no comment about this live blood microscopy, as I know about this specific test. I do believe the liver and Gastro function is playing some role in this mess. My AST level for my last liver test was high above the range provided by the lab. I am currently exploring some of these problems with a Gastro doctor.

Bryce, what specific type of test did you have done? Not all of the tests are equal in terms of sensitivity. I think one of the mistakes many of us make is do one test, get the result and immediately rule out the problem. Did you do a traditional stool test or DNA stool based test?

#9

I don’t know what test I did. I took it from a naturepathic doctor and honestly I really don’t care about parasites/yeast infections. I thought it possible, but after getting the test and not seeing anything I don’t think that it’s the cause of our problems. No, I didn’t do a DNA test. The way I see it is that if it’s not showing anything on a normal test, then it isn’t a big enough problem to be causing our side effects. Do you really think that if it takes hyper sensitivity to detect a parasite or yeast infection that it’s causing a problem?

Don’t worry, I see it from both sides. I’ve research the fuck out of yeast infections and gut issues. There are clear indications that yeast and parasitic infestations can over power the immune system and cause destruction in hormones. And I see that you’ve found a DNA test that can detect a parasite so it could be causing it. But, personally, I’ve found other things causing triggers that I think is the cause of our problems.

Forget these parasite and yeast infection tests, what we should be looking at food allergies and leaky gut. After doing an anti body food test, I’ve found my immune system is attacking anything that isn’t straight from nature. After being on the leaky gut diet, my hair starts getting itchy and falling out which I’m guessing is causing 5AR2 to be turned back on. And this wasn’t any over night thing, this has been months in the making. VIT D3 and fish oil and probiotic/gluatmine mix also cause my hair to get itchy. Regular food causes it to stop. This isn’t yeast/parasite issues.

You have to look at what propecia actually is and what it actually does. It turns off 5AR2. So it stops you from making DHT. Which yeah can cause havoc in the body and I guess theoretically it could cause yeast/parasite overgrowth… but I’m thinking once you reactivate it, your body will get rid of this.

#10

Wrong. You need to get a stool DNA parasitology test AND a live blood microscopy test. If you ‘forget’ these tests, you will not get better.

3 members OUT OF 3 who have had Metametrix Stool DNA parasitology tests have been positive.

Yes, we should look at food allergies.

This is multifactorial.

JN

#11

Yes it is. All sufferers here will find they have either or both of the following:

  1. GI parasites
  2. Systemic yeast infections

Diagnosis and treatment of such is critical to getting better.

JN

#12

I’ve had 2 Live Blood Microscopy tests done, the first 2 months before i quit fin, and the second a year later, ie July this year.

The doctors didnt mention anything about parasites or yeast infections etc on either occasions from what i can recall…
RBCs were a bit stuck together also. I’ll dig up my report

#13

Right, okay I think what’s going on here is that we have the same idea and know that something wrong is going on in the gut. Figuring out the exact cause, right that’s a problem. A reason I don’t think its parasite/yeast related is that I believe it can take up to a month or two of a strict no sugar diet to see yeast go away. The thing is, I can see physical side effects start fade in under a week if I stay on the right restricted diet. I can even make my hair fall out based on what I eat in about a day or two, sometimes less if I eat the right diet during the day from waking up. Can a parasite do this? If you have information to show that its possible a parasite or yeast infection can do this, then I would be willing to go along.

Overall, I think it takes similar actions to heal the gut regardless of what the cause is. we all ready agree its gut related, its just a matter of getting in the right foods and finding the exact problem. have you taken something to cure your gut of parasites? what do you do to treat it?

#14

Look here Bryce, I read your comment thoroughly, and I appreciate your comment.
What matters to me is the truth. The absolute truth.

I maintain that you need to get the following tests done:

  1. Stool DNA parasitology test
  2. Live blood microscopy

Yes, GI parasites and systemic yeast infections are central to our suffering, and yes, responsible for your symptoms and failure to recover.

Have you read my mini thesis on ‘tests to do’ on my thread, where I’ve highlighted certain important tests in blue? Please get those tests in blue done. They are ALL critical.

JN

#15

That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it, but sadly you will find much different when the scientific papers that are published on this problem come to light. People have had your tests and turned up nothing, so not sure why you continue to push such unfounded nonsense. Stating EVERYONE is suffering from these problems, and that they are the root cause, is simply laughable.

Sexual dysfunction from Finasteride has nothing to do with “parasites” or “systemic yeast infections”, these are documented direct side effects of the drug’s androgen deprivation mechanisms as noted in various clinical trials and research papers. On the other hand, the useless and fraudulent red herrings you are promoting do nothing but waste people’s time and money, IMO.

Not to mention:

  1. Live Blood Microscopy is considered fraudulent, per my earlier posts in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=46140#p46140

  2. The “DNA Stool Sample test” is done by a lab (Metametrix) which is practicing NON STANDARD labwork:

quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/nonstandard.html

quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/privatest.html
“J. Alexander Bralley, PhD, founder and chief executive officer of MetaMetrix Clinical Laboratory, a lab that caters to chiropractors and other offbeat health professionals.”

Not to mention DNA Stool testing is indicated for detecting COLON CANCER, not “parasites” – mayoclinic.com/health/dna-stool-test/MY00623

#16

Mew

You’ve continually dismissed live blood microscopy on a whim and bizarrly have never reviewed your position on it. Why? Quackwatch?

My endo didn’t suggest live blood microscopy was fradulent and its legitimacy seems very much understated if anything. We should be more embracing of such less conventional means esp when they have proved helpful to people on this board.

#17

Review the links posted, especially pg. 12 onwards of the GOVERNMENT ISSUED document: oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-05-00-00250.pdf
Also, ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1303171/pdf/westjmed00362-0051.pdf

Also…

In short, we have enough to deal with rather than fall prey to scam/fraud products & services designed to misdiagnose/over diagnose, in order for us to spend money on additional “treatment” products & services from such companies/practitioners to “treat” likely non-existent issues.

The term “a fool and his gold are soon parted” applies in numerous areas of life, not just here. If you want to spend your money on labs and tests which aren’t even considered legitimate/standard so you can be sold a diagnosis, then go ahead. There’s a reason these types of unfounded tests are generally used by many outside mainstream medicine, in order to push their questionable services. Note I am not saying don’t keep an open mind to alternative health treatments, but you should evaluate the legitimacy of their claims before trusting your health and money to their testing/use.

#18

who cares. Some people are going to be for it and some people have it in their heads that western medicine is the only medical practice that exists.

#19

I’m sorry, but this is just fubar. Most if not all the recoveries on this board are based around JN’s 19 points… It’s not about finding the root cause to PFS, but rather finding the root cause to our other issues such as adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, leaky gut. It’s about optimization of health. There is just so many root causes to underlining PFS conditions that you sometimes just have to get lucky to find one. I personally haven’t hit the right button yet, but when I do I know my health is going to bounce back in a big way. Do not care what you say Mew, Leaky Gut Syndrome is a legitimate condition. If you google “Is leaky gut fake” you will find 100s of articles telling you why and how it is legitimate. I cant speak for everyone but I know I will cure myself before you find any kind of proof in your studies with researchers. You can take that to the bank.

#20

How many people have done live blood analysis, out of curiosity?

Some of the critiques against it are valid, but I also find it hard to believe that you can “infect” a slide within seconds of collecting the sample with parasites, yeast, etc. and that you can completely distort all blood findings. Is there someone with expertise in this field that can weigh in beyond the severely biased and silly quackwatch talking points crowd?