Post finasteride syndrome and adrenal fatigue

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#87

Hi Scotsman

I had a Tilt-table test , a Breathing test (Valsalva Maneuver) .

Autonomic Dysfuncition is a broad term that describes any disease orr malfunction of the autonomic nervous system.
This includes Postural Tachycardia Syndrome ( POTS ) AS I HAVE.

Symptoms i have:
Low ACTH Very low and problem with cortisol
Sleep disorder
Headache ( pressure in forhead )

( Improved could be time? )

High pulls ( It has improved )
Tremor in forhead
Fatique ( It has improved )
Abdominal discomfort
Exercise intolerance ( It has improved )
Nausea
Erectile Dysfunction ( It has improved ) Time and cialis

#88

ALL MY HORMONES IS VERY UNSTABLE ( I think POTS is the cause )

#89

this is VERY variable condition from person to person age to age. but there is an adrenal / thyroid connection… i still have lower back pain its 3.5 year. my kidney is perfect but i have some sore on it i can feel.

#90

People just notice Brain Penis disconnect… I am sure this has happened to more then just your dick. The brain isn’t signaling the adrenals, thyroid, testicles ect… properly. So we get a really messed up and variable condition.

#91

I read that something like 80% of nerve impulses within the brain are controlled by GABA and glutamate. So yeah… dysfunction with that will likely mess up everything.

#92

Thanks Mew , I think many fellow sufferers just can’t imagine how it’s like to see a recycling of old ideas . It’s like in the movie “groundhog Day” without science we are circling around with non but zero gains .

#93

You are the FOURTH person on this site to be diagnosed with autonomic dysfunction.
The other three members are:

lowbrainpower
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9587&hilit=autonomic+dysfunction

ramakentesh:
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3101&p=17582#p17582

tab:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7856

You should update your ‘autonomic dysfunction’ thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7856&p=70267&hilit=Autonomic+dysfunction#p70267

or this one:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9587&hilit=autonomic+dysfunction

#94

Effects of autonomic dysfunction can include just a small part of the ANS, or the entire ANS. Some symptoms that may indicate the presence of an autonomic nerve disorder include:

dizziness and fainting upon standing up (orthostatic hypotension)

inability to alter heart rate with exercise (exercise intolerance)

sweating abnormalities, which could alternately be too much sweat or insufficient sweat

digestion difficulties due to slow digestion. Resulting symptoms could include loss of appetite, bloating, diarrhea or constipation, and difficulty swallowing.

urinary problems. These can include difficulty starting urination, incontinence, and incomplete emptying of the bladder

sexual problems. In men, this could be difficulty with ejaculation and/or maintaining an erection. In women, this could be vaginal dryness and/or difficulty with orgasm
vision problems. This could be blurry vision, or the failure of the pupils to react quickly enough to changes in light.

Any or all of these symptoms may be present, and effects may be mild to severe.

Very intetesting that we have 4 members who have been dignosed with this. It may just be because their doctors “did not what else to diganose them with” or who knows maybe they are dead on.

Ohh wait I forgot we are theorizing again. People may get mad.
Sorry guys

#95

Saliva test came back… Borderline Adrenal insufficiency. But I guess I am just a “home brew” guy not someone that is literally almost dead from a few days pro-Fucking-pecia.

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#96

What does that mean? I feel like I have a lot of symptoms you have and would like to find out how to get better. How did you get your doctor to agree to give you a saliva test?

#97

How did you deal with your loose teeth? Have any actually fallen out? My teeth are getting pretty wiggly as well.

#98

Hi there

So far nothing - None have fallen out, just that there is more movement in them than there should be for my age. X-ray has revealed some bone loss indicative of teeth grinding which I don’t do and there is no evidence of either. I mentioned it to my Doctor when I last saw her but she hasn’t pursued it. I’m always reluctant to mention a symptom which I believe is related to propecia use, although she knows how much it has impacted me. I’m wondering with my thin skin whether I have osteoporosis. I’ll discuss it again when I next see my dentist as to any preventative action like calcium supplements. Bizarrely, with everything else that has happened, loose teeth doesn’t seem so bad.

The teeth that are most affected are in my upper jaw.

#99

How did this go for the OP?

I am suspecting Adrenal Fatigue for a long time. After reading through Adrenal Fatigue symptoms and books, they are just too similar to ours.

After years and years of horrible mental symptoms (even worse than PFS), I took DHEA and Pregnenolone in early December 2019. Two hormones wich got produced in the adrenals. Within a week or two I was a new human. Anxiety was gone. I had a personality. I had confidence. I had joy in life. I felt like a men.

I was off them for 3 months because I was (and still am) on HCG Protocol. These 3 months were pure nightmare. I lost my personality again. So much anxiety. Very bad mental issues. Now I started DHEA again about a week ago. And things start to shift again.

I also tried Prednol for couple days but was too afraid to continue. I ordered Adrenal Cortex but unfortunately the Turkish customs seized it.

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#100

Any benefits seen from HCG?

#101

Yes and no. I am a more difficult case. My main problem is not pfs but heavy mental problems. Probably due to benzos.

But people on the ray peat forum having pretty good improvements on pfs.

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#102

So I tried Methylprednisol 3 days in a row. 1st day 3mg wich gave me endless energy. My depression, gone fully! And a super mood and great brain functions came back. It was like I was on grams of cocaine. Probably too much energy. In the evening my heart was pounding. Next day I took 1mg and had the same benefits with no heart problem. 3rd day same with 1mg. Yesterday I did not take it and had a bad mood today. Until I took 1mg again. Now still in good mood. And my libido is back after weeks of not being there. And my digestion was working quite good! My pancreas stopped producing digestive enzymes in 2012 when I had that trauma on weed and a flu and 3 months of chronic stress. So I found this article very interesting. Could explain digestive issues we have after fin.

Yet I am too scared of this drug and will stop it. I have no experience with it. And I am scared to shut down my adrenals, wich would lead to death as much as I know. At least I should check cortisol levels with a doc and then get advice from him how and how much to take if there is cortisol deficiency.

I am on dhea and pregnenolone again. And they help me so much with psychological issues and anxiety.

So yes, for me, adrenal fatigue is a big factor in pfs.

#103

Did you have immediate benefit with progesterone and did you use the cream? I tried a small amount and my shrinkage got worse within a few hours so I stopped.

#104

How are you 90% recovered? What was your routine/protocol?

#105

I think I found a solution that works for me. I wrote it here and on ray peat and other forums I am. In the end of 2019 I had a full recovery for 4-5 days. Then things settled down. But up until the end of February 2020 I had a very good state. I had a GF from end of December to mid April. The first two months I had awesome libido. We had sex 2-3 times a day. And usually before December 2019 once a month was enough for me. From end of February on, my Libido went down to zero and I had my old state back. I was pushing away my new GF and got my old behaviour, trying to avoid sex and even felt disgusted from sex. Once a week was too much again.

In the end of 2019 I started taking DHEA, Pregnenolone, Progesterone and Ashwaghanda. In the end of February 2020 I stopped Ahswaghanda, thinking it gives me more histamine issues. What a tremendous mistake! I kept going on with DHEA, Pregnenolone and Progesterone and was wondering why these stopped working as before.

2 months ago I figured out that my heavy migraines and brain inflammation is coming from Pregnenolone. Stopping that stopped my migraines that I had twice a week. I kept going on with DHEA but the effect of Pregnenolone on Anxiety and confidence is great for me. So the anxiety etc. came back. To a degree that I started having issues to order coffee from Starbucks again. That and my libido was none existent since March 2020.

So, 2 weeks ago I found my box with Aswaghanda again. And I hate to throw things away. So I started taking it. And boom. Anxiety much better. Brain fog and slow thinking much much better. Memory much better. Energy better. Depression much better. Food intolerance much better. And libido is good. Not like with 15 (I am 39) but its good. I start feeling desire when seeing women again. Have sexual thoughts etc. Usually I was on a nofap thing. But (maybe out of boredom) I started masturbating daily again. Sometimes just by seeing a women on a youtube video and started having sexual thoughts.

I always suspected that PFS is adrenal fatigue and some issues with the thyroid. And Aswaghanda fixes both for me I guess. Just it should have high amounts of withanolids and ideally it should be KSM-66. I use the cheaper one from Sunday (Germany) -> https://www.sunday.de/ashwagandha/ashwagandha-extrakt-kapseln-hochdosiert.html

This stuff is gold for me and I hope it keeps going on. I am also on 180mg TRT a week for 3-4 months. But that had zero effect up until I started ashwaghanda. Also ordered Pansterone because I miss the confidence and drive that I get from Pregnenolone. It pushes me from social anxiety to approaching girls lol.

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#106

What’s your Ashwaganda dosage?
I tried some a while back and had to take 3 pills a day for a total of 1500mg. Full reversal of symptoms for like two days, then nothing.
Tried it again this past week. Mild uptake in libido from 0 for one day which died down to again having no effect.