It would be best if you could post all out of range steriod hormones(and metabolites) from a urine test and then post the corresponding blood test if you have it.
If you have out of range urine results but no blood to go with it just post the urine out of range result.
Thank you.
eg.
Testosterone Urine 85 (28-65)…Testosterone blood 344 (250-900)
DHT Urine 15 (0-13)…No Blood
Please i really hope you do this if you have been tested for urine.
Are those actual test results or just an example? It would appear you are peeing out all your testosterone.
Lol, its just an example, here are some real ones,
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Testosterone Urine 121 (45-85)…Testoterone Blood 412 (348-1197)
Androsterone Urine 4953 (798 - 4705)…No blood
5a-THF 3185 (796 - 2456)…No blood
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Testosterone 28 (45-85)…Testosterone Total 761 (250-1100 Ng/dl)
Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) 19…NB
Androsterone (AN) 5791 (793-4705)…NB
Androstenetriol (5-AT) 1140 (42-710)…NB
Etiocholanolone (ET) 5915 (134-1135)…NB
Cortisone (E) 460 (92 - 366) …NB
THE (Tetrahydrocortisone) 10617 (1355 - 5788)…NB
THB (Tetrahydrocorticosterone) 372 (32 - 238)…NB
Cortisol (F) 238 (35-168)…NB
THF (Tetrahydrocortisol) 4664 (942-2800)…NB
Pregnanediol (PD) 610 (32 - 501)…NB
next test 5months later
Testosterone urine 4.5 (45-85)…NB
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Testosterone Urine 100 (45-85)…Testosterone blood 627 ng/dl (250-1100)
DHT 20 (0-13)…NB
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Testosterone urine 109 (45-85) …Testosterone - 855 (241-827)-(on clomid)
DHT 28-(0-13)…DHT - 33 (25-75)
Androstenetriol 1784 (42-710)…NB
Androsterone 6042 (798-4705)…NB
Etiocholanolone 8004 (689-3582)…NB
Pregnanediol PD 790 (32-501)…NB
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DHT urine 14 (0-13)…DHT blood 73 (45-75)
Androstenetriol 1388 (42-710)…NB
Androsterone 7536 (798-4705)…NB
Etiocholanolone 8873 (689-3582)…NB
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Testosterone Urine 85 (28-65)…Testosterone blood 696 (250-1100)
Eliocholanolone ET 3313 (689-3252)…NB
11b-oh- Eliocholanolone OHET 77 (134-1186)…NB
Pregnanediol PD 587 (32-501)…NB
THE 7176 (1365-5788)…NB
THA 314 (52-277)…NB
5a-THF 714 (796-2456)…NB
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Posted Upside down, cant be bothered with it.
Same thing though high T and metabolites.
More to come…
Some strange results. No correlation.
But it doesn’t surprise me. There is definitely a root cause that is common to us, but it seems our bodies react to the problem in variously different ways.
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Testosterone Urine 36 (45-85) …Testosterone blood 654 (217-854)
Cortisone Urine 69 (96-366)…NB
THF 917 (942-2000)…NB
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Testosterone Urine 9.2 (45 - 85)…Testosterone blood 499 (270 - 1070)
DHEA 3060 (5 - 1476)…NB
11b-OH Etiocholanolone 30 (134 - 1186)…NB
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TESTOSTERONE Urine 37 (45-85)…Testosterone Blood 506 (250-1100)
DHEA 2063 (5-1476)…NB
ANDROSTERONE (AN) 5803 (798-4705)…NB
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Testosterone urine 93 (45 - 85)
DHT 19 (0-13)…DHT blood 30 (25-75)
Androstedione 74 (0-50)…NB
Androstenetriol (5-AT) 868 (42-710)…NB
Etiocholanolone (ET) 4134 (134-1135)…NB
Pregnanediol (PD) 623 (32 - 501)…NB
No one has urine testosterone in range, whether it is high or low. Testosterone metabolism is a mess.
Yes something that can outrageously speed up or slow down testosterone metabolism, something that can cross talk with the androgen and vitamin d receptor, something that makes my body gain a tolerance to everything good, something with the X factor … catch my drift.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20599793
Hey Tim, glad you pointed out the HUGE discrepancies between the urinary panel results and blood test results. According to Rhein Labs it looks like nearly everyone was taking high doses of exogenous T. We know that’s not true. Meanwhile, the blood tests often show seemingly normal results.
I remember asking the doctor why many of the hormones came back crazy-high when bloods tests said they were well within normal.
He acted like nothing was really out-of-the-ordinary and basically told me that the test was performed to show the ratios of the hormones to each other rather than the total amounts of each hormone.
I don’t understand why that the normal ratios aren’t provided with the lab report rather than only reference ranges for each?
Also couldn’t find anything on the internet about how they obtained their seemingly botched reference ranges.
Can anyone provide this information?
I remember kazman pointed out a couple of the ratios, and there are a few of the other ratios that can be found with a google search, but I just can’t find any info showing what all of the normal ratios should be for the rhein urinary panel. It should be available somewhere.
(It sucks when you go on long google searches looking for info and keep finding the same posts on this site 
)
It is possible that they use the concentration of creatinine in a given urine sample as a sort of reference against the concentration of hormones because nearly everyone pisses out close to the same amount of creatinine over a 24H period no matter what the total volume of urine is. This is often used to test for over-dilution in urinalysis. If we had a relatively low concentration of creatinine in the samples for some reason, then it makes sense that the concentration of hormones tested would be relatively high in comparison… Don’t quote me on this though, it only holds true if they use a creatinine/hormone method.
Still, it seems like you are right Tim. Just from comparing the urine-blood test results, it appears that there is either a problem with the reference ranges or nearly everyone who posted their results is pissing out an obscene amount of various hormones for some reason.
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Testosterone urine 132 (45-85)…NB
Androstedione 344 (0-50)…NB
DHEA 2954 (5-1476)…NB
ANDROSTERONE (AN) 7528 (798-4705)…NB
Etiocholanolone (ET) 6088 (134-1135)…NB
Cortisone 429 (92-366)…NB
Cortisol 241 (44-168)…NB
THE 7452 (1365-5788)…NB
THF 4049 (942-2800)…NB
Good thread, and thanks for putting up some of my numbers. My USP and corresponding blood tests were ordered by Dr. Crisler. When reviewing my numbers, he classified me as a “hyper excreter,” meaning I basically pee out a lot of the testosterone I’m making. My understanding of endocrinology is very rudimentary, but it’s possible that receptors are not binding to the testosterone and Vitamin D is a major receptor. A lot of the guys on here have Vitamin D deficiency, so maybe there is a correlation.
Dr. Crisler wants me to try testosterone cypionate injections for a few weeks and then repeat my USP and blood tests.
Davey82 the PXR is potent repressor of AR-regulated transcription. It can also induce vitamin d deficiency by cross talk with the VDR and it controls metabolism of endogenous and xenobiotic substances.
DHT urine 6.1(0-13)…DHT Blood 1130 (112-995)
Where is all the DHT going?
DHT urine 4 (0-13) …DHT blood 20 (30-95)
Why no blood dht?
Where did all the urine DHT come from?
This is youngbuck 21 he has two urine tests, check out the differences 
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4913&p=37562#p37562
Testosterone urine 132 (45-85)…Testosterone blood 5.6 (2.8-8)
DHt urine 11 (0-13)…Dht blood 433 (94-476)
Has great adiol g … 13 (3-22)
Dht corresponds, testosterone doesnt.
I think on the way out finasteride flicked the haywire switch.