Please help me decide

#1

Hallo Guys,
I have been lurking in these forums since the time i have crashed on 15.04. this year…I wouldnt bore you with the details, as it was my worst experience in my whole life, and i really doubt, that anything else would even top this horror i have lived in the last 3 months…
Today is the 4.months anniversary of me dropping off that poison, and yet are my symptoms still persistent…
When i crashed, i litterally wasnt able to feel anything, couldnt smell, or taste anything (This one has improved the most now, and took at least 2,5 months to get better), i still have reduced skin sensitivity (its not that i dont feel when something is touching me, but its somehow not fulfilling, lacking the feeling of touch, its really hard to describe), and ofcourse all the sexual sides are still persisting (Most annyoing is penis numbness, ED, 0 Libido, testicular shrinkage), Depression, insomnia, and anxiety are still there, but suicide ideation has gotten little bit better, that i dont think of ending it before trying all things, that may recover me…
I have read almost every story on this forum, and i couldnt find anything that unify all of real PFS stories, except for genital numbness…
I for example have oily face, normal sweating, body hair, and body odor, but 0 hairloss, and very slow beard growth…It just doesnt quite add up, and i really cant understand how such poison can affect us, and cause all this wide variety of symptoms…
The problem im facing now, is whether i should now act on it, or just wait, and hope for a natural recovery…I have low end T, Estradiol that is low, cant even be measure, normal SBHG, normal DHT, Low free T…
My idea is to take a triptorelin 0,1mg shot, and follow it with mediherb tribulus, exactly like apr1989 has done it, but at the same time, im afraid of getting to square one, or even worse…
I really dont expect any of you to tell me what to do (The decision is for me to make), but i would be really interested to hear from guys who waited natural recovery, or took the drug way, and if they have any regrets on this regard…
I would really be thnakful for any insight.

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#2

Four months in is still early. I would not risk anything in your place. There is still a decent chance that you may improve naturally.

Besides, there really is no reliable and safe treatment for this condition. A lot of things have made people worse, even things like Tribulus which other people have found helpful.

What is your logic in using triptorelin? Afaik it’s a GnRH analog, have you had a look at the header above the forum? GnRH analogs can cause the same problem as Finasteride.

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#3

The dose in which Triptorelin shuts the HTPA are at least 36 higher than the dosis im planing to take…Ofcourse we are not normal people, so noone can know, whether it would make me worse (0,1mg is usually given to test the pituitary, if it can synthesize LH/FSH in a sufficient amount)…If i were normal, i wouldnt have worried that much…On the other hand, and given the rare recovery stories, is it advisable just to wait, and see if my body would recover on its own…Im thinking right now, the tissue is going through a massive change on all aspects due to androgen deprivation, and maybe later even if the receptors or whatever went wrong is functioning again, there is no way for this tissue changes to be reversed…
I know, its a very risky thing to do (To be honest, risking my body was the thing that brought this hell on me in the first place), but it is now what it is…
Again i dont expect anyone to tell me what to do, i just want to hear from someone who regrets taking stuff to cure himself, or the other way around, if someone has done nothing, and lived in this hell, just to find out, taking action could have made him very much sooner better.

#4

Here is my experience so far. I hope it’s helpful.

I got PFS in October 2016. I got it suddenly, with a single pill of finasteride, upon resuming taking it after a 4 month hiatus following 8 years of almost uninterrupted administration. This might be important information as there might be different types of PFS.

I decided not to take anything including supplements because there is so much controversy about what helps and what harms and because we don’t have a clear etiology of PFS. When you don’t know what to do, doing nothing is probably the best option. So I did nothing.

Two years later I got worse. I don’t have a good theory why I got worse. The only thing I know is that I went to live with landlords who were vegetarian and did not allow meat in the house. As a result I started eating a lot of eggs. Eggs contain a lot of saturated fat and cholesterol which may increase androgens. Bottom line is I got from around 15% of libido to maybe 5%.

I stayed at this new baseline for 6 months without any changes, even when I changed my diet. I didn’t have much to lose at this point. Unlike people who have 50% of sexual function or more, I had 5%. I had to start doing things to survive. So I tried Tribulus.

I have not made my final conclusion on Tribulus yet as my experimentation with it still continues. I took high doses of potent Tribulus for a month and a half. It boosted my libido, erections, sensitivity, mood, emotions, motivation, sperm production and reduced my depression. I had sex for the first time in years (with the help of Viagra). Unfortunately towards the end of the period it lost efficacy. I was cycling nevertheless but subsequent cycles required even higher doses and did not produce the same results. I decided to take a long break.

I didn’t take Tribulus for a month and a half. During this period I believe my baseline was lower than before Tribulus. Perhaps it was 2.5%. It is hard to evaluate things at this point because numbers are so low that it barely makes a difference.

I resumed Tribulus 10 days ago. I can confidently say that it works much less well then before. I take a higher dose and I barely have any effect. I currently take 6x750mg a day of a highly potency Tribulus.

Many people have reported getting worse over time with androgens - both TRT and Tribulus. I read quite a lot of threads about this. People feel better initially and then the protocol stops working and their new baseline is lower after they stop.

There is a theory why this may happen. With upregulated androgen receptors, increasing androgens may bring about further epigenetic changes in order to downregulate gene expression. In other words, rather than the receptors getting down-regulated, the change happens at the epigenetic level. Ironically, when the reverse happens and androgens are decreased such as by finasteride, the receptors seem to get further upregulated rather than a reversal of the epigenetic changes occurring.

This does not happen in normal people unexposed to finasteride. I used to take a lot of different T-boosters before finasteride and I never jumped to a lower baseline afterwards.

I would appreciate comments on this theory.

Finally, I also decided to start taking a low dose Cialis. It actually worked very well for two days and I had improved erections and spontaneous erections throughout the day, which had a positive effect on my mood. I was quite hopeful this may work.

Unfortunately I am getting pretty bad side effects. Today I only took 2.5mg and I was pretty sick to the point that I had to lie down all day. I had a strong headache, head pressure, eye pressure, palpitations, increased heart rate - obviously blood pressure was either too high or too low. It seems the cumulative effect over a couple of days has added up. Next I may try to take 2.5mg every other day to see what happens but most likely I will drop daily Cialis as this is unsustainable.

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#5

Hey, for how long did you take fin? I’m suffering from skin sensitivity too, happened after my crash, i dread taking showers

#6

I used Fin for 3 years, switched to Dutasteride for 2 Weeks before returning to finasteride becuz of side effects…First i felt normal, so i thought it was just Dutasteride, but after 3 months crashed hard, so i dropped finasteride too, and since then im totally messed up…
At first i lost the sense of smell, Taste, Touch, my whole body felt numb, and i was really minutes away from killing my self…
After 2 months i got like 80% back taste, and smell, but i have completely numb skin…Ofcourse genital numbness too, with ED, and 0 Libido…
I have promised myself to wait 6 months, before ending it…Im 6 weeks away, and till now no signs of recovery…
Just living with this numbness feels like im deprived from every sensation…Its just horrible…Noone deserves this…NOONE…

#7

Listen, people have recoveries after long periods of time. We had a guy who recovered after years. Your misery right now could resolve in 7 weeks. Or 2 months. or a year. My first recovery was like a light switch being flicked. Everything just came back. I don’t think we are broken.

You shouldn’t throw suicide around lightly and if you’re serious, you should take a look at your mental health to try and keep these thoughts in check. We will support you.

Do not kill yourself and do not make plans to do so. I don’t have time to write more right now but message me or reply here if you like.

Hold on.

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#8

Unfortunately, the hormonal imbalance makes us « feel » this way… Suicide ideation is now incoroprated on the finasteride leaflet and rare as it is supposed to be (ah ah ah), when you get there, it is a terribly dark place to dwell…
I honestly try to stay focus on recovery, check my diet, meditate before sleep…
When I wake up in sweat at 4 am, on the middle of a nightmare so real it is insane, that I look at my phone and realise this cycle has been going on for a solid month, I feel down and question the worth of it all…
Now thinking about killing oneself and actually doing it is another story…
Most options available outside US if access to a gun are not coward option… Even a shotgun suicide must be hard to do… It is not as easy as it may seem.
I have reviewed them all…They are bleak, grim and probably agonizing…
I am not advocating suicide far from it.
Let’s face it : most of us consider this option because our chemistry is fucked up…
Most of us were not suicidal pre fin…
That is why the idea of the chat is a good idea when some of us have a bad moment…
Most of the time having someone comforting you, talking with you can help you out of the mental trap you are in…
We need to have an honest, supportive outlook on this issue.
Stay strong brothers…

#9

What hormone imbalance???

#10

Are your results within range ?

#11

If yes it might be at neurosteroid level…

#12

My results are low t low dht so they definitely explain my low mood, depression…
But our state is anyway an imbalance of some sort :).
I was just trying to explain suicide ideation, a terrible pfs side…
I am well awaren we are different in our plights…
Don’t mean to start controversy here .).

#13

@silentpain89 Okay, that’s a long time damn, i took one dose of fin 3 weeks ago and crashed with similar side effects, and i’m completely impotent. But recovery takes a while, you’ve recovered, you’ll keep recovering. Stressing yourself is not going to help, just be a man, and you can have your own recovery story on this one day and live your life to the fullest.

#14

Rationality is a hard thing to come by when you are in the middle of the storm…
I would say stay optimist but be prepared for the worst!
There is too much we cannot control…
Hey man nice to see you here !

#15

Only thing helped me with numbness and genital sensitivity was aromatase inhibition with arimidex… I got complete restoration on libido, sensivity and partial restoration on ed side, I am still experimenting on it may be in time it will be restored too or I got worse… I hope that first one happens.

#16

@frenchfries Hey man, hope you’re doing good. We took the poison though, no point looking back, gotta get it out of our system and let our bodies heal. If recoveries are possible, and if temporarily recoveries are possible, then we can beat this.

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#17

We need this shit taken out…
More and more people suffer from this shit…
I hope the survey results will give a broader scope of how this drug affects people…
I guess the next finasteride side effects will be a fuckin PHONEBOOK!

#18

Thank you guys all for your encouraging words…Its just, i feel that the whole body skin numbness is a very rare symptom, and i guess, it suggests a more severe case of PFS…I really cant even remember, what normal is, or was…I have the feeling, that i cant trust my senses anymore…Its just inhumane to inflict such feelings even to a lab rat…