Penile cell damage and recovery -- permanent tissue changes?

Symptoms Sexual
#21

Chill out 3pm,…

When I say recover. I don’t always mean 100% back to pre-fin. Dude, haven’t you realized by now, through all this, and all the reading done, on this, and other forums and traumas that result in sexual dysfunction, prostatectomy, etc. that expecting a full 100% pre-fin level of recovery is not very reasonable. And until you come to terms with this I think you will never be happy.
I’m sorry, but how much porn have you ever watched?? How old are you too btw…
Dude, can you tell when porn stars are on steroids?
I know it sounds like a vague question, but I’m sure if you have ever watched large amounts of porn you have seen “regulars” on there. I mean familiar faces as far as men go. Some of them are OBVIOUS juicers. You can tell by looking at their bodies.
And some of these guys take a little while to get up.
IT DOESN’T JUST POP UP LIKE IT USED TO BUD! SORRY!
They still seem to be VERY successful, and enjoy great sex, but do they seem all down and out just because it takes a little longer to rise now!
Dude, don’t let your life stop for that!
People get older. People get sick. Traumas occur. People have “events” in their lives! … are you following me!
Its a very complex system.
THINK---------NOTHING CAN STOP THE POWER OF THE PENIS! And you will turn the corner maybe!
I understand your sadness. I still have it too… Probably… 5-10% of the time still. I worry and worry. It kills me. But dude, at some point we have to go on living our lives thinking we’ll be ok!

I still have a libido! I don’t know about you.!?
If you’re asking me whether I want to beat off every minute I get like I used to, or three times a day, everytime I got into bed? No, I don’t think of masturbating like that anymore… But you know man, I’ve gone through periods like that when I was very busy pre-fin, and I didn’t do it either.

YES, I HAVE RECOVERED LIBIDO! At what level…? idk, I still lookat chicks. Somethings still “wrong” if thats what you’re asking.
But I have had it recover more at times, sometimes not so much… DUde, read my fucking post!

Also, look around kid! Maybe we are not going to be “like I was”. But it doesn’t mean you cant reach some level of acceptance and go on living your life, with a somewhat healthy sex life as well.

I don’t know how many times you’ve had sex since this all started, but I’ve banged maybe 3-4 different chicks since this happened to me. Some of them more than once. I’ve had some sex! ANd some of it has been fairly successful I’d say. It gets better the more I do it too. Its like retraining. Rehabbing! Like when an athlete gets ACL surgery… It takes intensive physical therapy to return to competition strength.
Unfortunately I haven’t had a good, regular girl, that was very affectionate and reliable since all this started, becaus if I had I think I’d be in a much better place in my recovery.
But I will say, The more I had sex, the better things got.
ANd DEFINITELY… EVERY TIME I SLEPT WITH A GIRL AND HAD GOOD SEX, I WOKE UP WITH BIG WOOD! Not a lie or bullshit. Its very reliable this way too.

So anyway, grasp what you can from this… I gotta go.
Dude, I’m tryin to keep my head up!
Look around on this forum and you WILL find members, A LOT of them who have had some recovery in their libidos.
Some, a few may say full recovery.
But its just a process dude. Its not a magic bullet. Haven’t you done enough research already to know this dude. Read all the reports on Prostatectomy and regaining sexual function, and size. Its a fucking process dude! People who get Chemo, and their hormones get torched. It takes a while for that stuff to build back up, whatever it is…

#22

Ok, I think that’s enough guys.

Can we keep this thread on topic with scientific discussion about the topic title pls, and no more personal attacks or long diatribes about “thinking positive” (that’s pretty much a given and will not cure phsyical changes to genitalia) and other generally irrelevant discussions.

If you can’t stay on topic, don’t bother to post in this thread. Thanks all.

#23

I am curious as to why no one here has tried a pump . . . granted it won’t do anything for libido, but i’ve heard success in terms of regaining size.

With regards to libido, I just hope I have SOME recovery over time, which I like to think most people do, just not much.

#24

I disagree. How do you explain stress and back or shoulder stiffness which can result in knots or bad posture over time. I am a living example. When I have a lot of mental stress, or am anxious, my back gets all tight, I get thinner, my face looks bad, because blood flow and breathing is not right. I’m sorry but for someone as smart as you are, I don’t know how you still cant make the connection between mental and physical. Maybe you should pick up a book on tai chi, chinese medicine, or even yoga and meditation. How do you explain yoga relieving headaches!? How would you argue the new Cymbalta campaign then that talks about how stress and depression brings pain and other physical ailments. That stuff is not made up, nor is it just mental. Or how about stressed out people who have higher rates of arthritis.

#25

Let me add that I don’t disagree with the fact that after a prostatectomy and many many years of decreased blood flow and androgen activity, I’m sure tissue can sort of die, or change, due to plaque buildup, and/or collagen formation which can result in fibrosis after many years. But not if you’re still popping erections every nite nocturnally, and certainly not for most members on this site. Don’t you realize Mew that seeing all this stuff, and talking about it in the way you do to a lot of these twenty year old “kids” like literally ruins them bro. It ruins their lives. Makes them obsessed, sends them into panic attacks and major depression! Don’t you realize this. Don’t you get it. It essentially is almost ruining their lives. Its not right dude, its not right. I’m not saying erase the studies. But when people do try to talk about then. Tell them to take viagra or viagra substitute daily, and they should be fine. Simple as that.
I have talked with many people who do not visit this forum ever because it is just too depressing, and it is insane conversations like this that does it. Really, . Remember what happened to… that guy who got so depressed, oh yeah Ant, and got a penile transplant, and then afterwards you were like, ‘wasn’t that a little excessive!’ Well dude, thats what this dialogue does to people over time…
No disrespect… Peace

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#26

To me Pump (Vacuum Device) NON work, penis remains flaccid

#28

So, tissue loss is reversible or not? What do you guys think? We have read many recovery stories after many years, they seem to said positive things about penis size and erections… Justquitdud even said that his erections were like 110% on Proviron… if i recall it correctly…

#29

He was also a crazy person and I’m not personally totally convinced he even had PFS. He was screwing with so many hormones, any of them could have caused his issues.

The way he reacted to TRT and proviron is not how most PFS sufferers seem to respond, IMO anyways.

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#30

Exactly, i wish i get all of the side effects right off the bat when i first took the drug. I only had semen issues back then, now after 5 years, i don’t even remember my pre-Accutane penis size… don’t know what to do. Slowly getting worse sucks.

#31

Before pfs, it took a few seconds to achieve a full erection. But now it takes a very long time to get an erection and it’s very hard. I feel very low blood flow to the penis. I’m worried that this is a sign of physical damage.

#32

havent posted in a while, logging in less and less. 3 years in my steady but slow improvement seems to be continuing, albeit not in a straight line loads of ups and downs

I think I would now be able to have sex without Cialis (doctors previously told me I had a venous leak…so tissue regeneration definitely possible as I am living proof) and have morning wood most days

Still prone to bad patches, would put recovery c. 70pc

Interestingly, after 3 years of zero baldness, my hair is rapidly shedding to pre finasteride state, which is probably evidence that dht is working again

Haven’t been taking any supps or diet changes recently, just living life

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#33

Hey are you still around ?

How have you improved with regards to numbness?

#34

bumppp

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#35

Bump

#36

This really scares me

#37

What exactly are you scared of?

#38

This being permanent as my personal situation gets worse

If this isn’t fixable I just don’t know I don’t wanna say anything to upset anyone

But just the possibility or god forbid the probability of this being permanent

Idk I just don’t fuckin know. Nerves? Signaling? Receptors? What? 15 years and we still know nothing

It’s wearing me down to say the absolute least

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#39

I understand how you feel and I’m in the same boat. I can’t promise that you’ll get better but I can say that it’s possible. I don’t have any links bookmarked but there are cases of PFSers coming back from ED and even complete impotence.

And even if you never physically recover, it doesn’t make you unlovable. As long as you got hands, a mouth, and a willingness to please, you still have a chance.

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#40

I don’t understand why the studies haven’t looked into this to begin with, it’s already shown in rats that dutasteride causes apoptosis in the penis in high doses so I wouldn’t see why it would be any different for us.

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#41

That’s what I’m saying
So apoptosis we’re taking permanent?
Would stem cells even fix something like they because that seems the only Hail Mary pass in that scenario

My situation has only gotten worse and my last pill was 15 years ago roughly