Observations over the last 10 months

My Finasteride use:
I used Proscar, which I cut up into quarter tablets to the best of my ability, for roughly 4 or 5 years. Although I noticed some side effects almost immediately after starting (oozing ejaculations and the like), I felt safe “knowing” that according to the label these symptoms would go away when I discontinued use. I was young and nowhere near ready to give up my hair, so I lived with it.

Years down the road and my sexual stamina began to suffer. In the past, run of the mill sex was usually between 30 and 60 minutes with the occasional half day marathon. I found myself at a point where it was difficult to go longer than 5 minutes and even on my best day, more than 20 minutes was impossible. I went through a rough patch with my girlfriend so it’s difficult to say exactly how long this deterioration took, but my best guess is a couple of months.

The end of my Finasteride use:
I stumbled on this site quite by accident. I immediately went to my doctor with my concerns and they suggested that I quit cold turkey. They told me to just give it some time and see what happens.

The following month I went through what seems like the typical crash with a brief, almost week long period where I was my old self again. My old self didn’t last long, but having a chance to go back to morning erections and effortless sex at the half hour mark was incredible. More importantly, my ejaculations regained that lost spark both in force and in the intensity of the experience.

The crash kicked in, of course, and although I’m not sure that my condition worsened, I do know that I became a 2-3 minute man. I was thankful that I could still go from start to finish, but I still felt horrible about my performance.

Time and observation:
Having such a violent contrast from before and after the crash gave me valuable insight as to what exactly had changed.

I noticed that I had only rubbery erections while masturbating. They lacked proper stiffness and although I hadn’t given it much attention at the time, I was compensating with an almost lifting kind of muscle movement- the sort of thing you’d do to move your nod your penis without your hands from an erect state or perhaps similar to what you would do to force the last of the urine out while in the bathroom. The force of my erections was not from my penis, but rather it felt like it was being held up from inside.

During that brief period of clarity, erections were effortless. I would simply become hard and stay that way. After it passed, I noticed a considerable difference in stamina (which I closely timed and tested over the course of a couple weeks) by simply relaxing my muscles while masturbating. I was unable to match this success during sex, but I found that I was able to hit the 20 minute mark (instead of the 2-3 minute mark) if I concentrated on simply allowing my erection to be hard on its own and doing the exact opposite with my muscles that I had been doing- almost a slight effort to urinate and dedicate.

I also did something I’ve never had to do before- I gave myself the equivalent of masturbation foreplay. I’ve always been able to just yank it out and be ready to go but I soon found that touching myself through my clothes at the start to allow myself to slowly build up to an erection over the course of several minutes was extremely helpful. This ultimately lead to much firmer erections and much less need to compensate. I was left to focus more on the act itself.

The benefit of doing this was the kind of orgasms I had almost completely forgotten about. The build up lasted for what seemed like 30 seconds and involved an unconscious clenching of every muscle in my body as well as (to my surprise) involuntary cursing as built up to the final event. The orgasm itself was the kind you would use to describe an end to all wars and left me with a peaceful glow that lasted for quite a while afterwards.

I’m not sure why this ended (perhaps I just became lazy- it’s not easy to get 45 uninterrupted minutes alone at this point in my life), but it was a month or so before I fell back into a routine of just masturbating casually over the course of 2-5 minutes.

I can’t remember what inspired me, but I think I was frustrated after a particularly quick session and decided to keep going without a break. It was uncomfortable and downright unpleasant for the first minute or two but I was able to keep going. Around the 5 minute mark I was enjoying myself again and this time around, it took much longer before I was done. When I did finish, it was a similar experience to what I had with the other technique- my body shook uncontrollably as I built up to the final release and unlike the “quickies” I had been doing before, this gave me a lasting glow and a sense of being relieved at last.

Although the volume was much more significant the first time around (as well as the force), the second round felt like the real thing. I can only describe the quick one offs as being like no longer having to use the restroom whereas the second round had that lasting feeling you’d have after waiting in a long car ride and finally making it to a restroom.

The future:
I still have several concerns and I’m nowhere near where the old self I want to be again. I’ve been off cold turkey for almost a year and I’m finally getting around to seeing some specialists to address this head on. I’ve seen small steps in progress that give me hope in at least a partial natural recovery down the road but I want to make sure I’m doing everything I can. Naturally, everyone here will be the first to know if anything works.

A few parting words for those reading this:

There are two techniques (one of which is at least somewhat applicable to sex) which have helped me a great deal, even if only for my own sense of fulfillment and hope. If anyone out there is suffering like I was, I’d encourage you to give them at least a shot.

  1. Masturbation foreplay: Don’t go straight into masturbating. Try working yourself up over the course of several minutes through your clothes until you have a solid erection. I found touching instead of the traditional back and forth “jerk” to be helpful.

Relaxed muscles around the waist: I found that when I was trying to compensate for an incomplete erection, I’d do a muscle contraction similar to trying to “hold it in” when waiting to use the bathroom (both number one and number two). Doing the exact opposite and relaxing those muscles to the point where I was almost ready to do the aforementioned activities seemed to help with endurance.

  1. Try going twice back to back: The second round was really uncomfortable at first (and quite difficult) but I eventually came around. I used lube to increase the experience on my end and to avoid chaffing. The end of the second round is hard to properly put into words.

Regarding depression and self image- even after all of this, I recently almost gave Rogaine a shot as my hair continues to fall out. You would be amazed at what a really good haircut can do (some of the best compliments I’ve gotten have actually been well into losing my hair) and you would really be amazed at the peace you feel when you just accept the idea of being bald. It has made a huge difference in my life and I really wish I had done it sooner. It’s no longer a death sentence for my sex life and my youth, it’s a new beginning to my adult life.

Best of luck to all of you out there and thank you for posting. This message board has helped a lot during those sleepless nights at the beginning.

Thank you for increasing the positivity quotient here!

Thank you. It was much more difficult to post than I thought it would be, even after all this time. Hopefully this helps other people who were feeling as miserable as I was. My life is far from perfect, but I have good days and I can sleep again.

It’s been years since I posted and I’ve since lost access to my original account:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5396&p=41121#p41121

I promised myself I’d post an update as this is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for when I first discovered these forums. Unfortunately this new account is not yet able to post on the recovery forums.

History:
I took Proscar for roughly 4 or 5 years. I encountered an array of sexual dysfunction issues:

  • No spontaneous/morning erections
  • Difficulty getting/keeping an erection
  • Very poor sexual stamina
  • Weak ejaculation
  • Weak orgasms
  • Lack of sensation
  • Lack of sex drive
  • Irritated sensation in prostate that would last for days
  • Intermittent brain fog

Immediately after discontinuing the drug I went through a typical Finasteride crash where everything improved for a week or two and then fell apart.

My recovery:
It’s been four and a half years since I stopped taking the drug (started around 25, stopped at 30, and am currently 34). I feel confident in saying that time has been the largest contributing factor although I also aggressively exercised my prostate through masturbation (an average of 6 times a week, which is significant for someone that has a difficult time getting to a ready state and doesn’t enjoy the act). I try to be healthy (a nutrient rich, paleo inspired diet with lots of vegetables) although I fully admit that depression got the best of me more than once and there are 1-2 month stretches of comfort food and drinking.

Of the previously mentioned issues, I only struggle with the following:

  • Getting an erection is really only ever an issue when masturbating, and it’s worlds better than it used to be. I feel more prone to the effects of “whiskey dick” than I should and I’m not as quick to get hard on round 7 or 8 on the 3rd day but I can chalk at least some of that up to my age.

  • Sexual stamina is not at all what it used to be 10 years ago, but in most cases I’m able to out last my girlfriend. “Average” sex lasts between 15 and 30 minutes with the occasional hour session thrown in there for good measure.

  • Ejaculations are much better, but can still be weak (especially when going several days in a row).

  • Weak orgasms are still an issue, but they’ve improved and I’m optimistic about targeted exercises as ejaculations still feel like they are missing a key step in the firing process.

  • I occasionally still have prostate irritation, but it’s much less frequent and much less severe.

Notes for people in recovery:
It’s a hard and lonely road. I thought about suicide more than once, and far more seriously than I like to think about. It’s very difficult to explain to people what it’s like to go through something like this. Doctors thought this was all in my head, it’s extremely difficult to bring up to friends and family members (many of whom believe it’s a mental issue), and there’s very little in the way of hope when you look into this.

I desperately wish I could have told myself that I was not alone and that there is absolutely hope.

  • I exercised my prostate as best I was able through masturbation, and I went at it like I was training at the gym. I embraced lube and sleeves, and did a lot of experimenting. I always got best results if I focused on an erection before I focused on masturbating. The first year or two wasn’t fun but things eventually improved.

  • Kegel exercises for men were extremely difficult for me to do, but I saw absolute benefit before I wore myself out. This is something I plan on revisiting.

  • Your body is going through a lot and anything you can do to give it some help will get you closer to your goal over time. I’m not saying you should give up drinking or junk food, but this is a good time to focus on a healthy lifestyle. By all means, grab a burger and a beer with friends to keep your spirits up but think about eating veggies with all your meals and getting into a regular exercise routine.

  • A complete evacuation rarely happened after the first ejaculation and pushing myself for another round gave me that “finished” feeling instead of a “blue balls” feeling.

  • Stamina was always better if I got a solid erection before attempting sex or masturbating, and erections were always better if I didn’t try to force it all at once.

  • Sex was really bad at first but it improved. I’ve had amazing sex since. Don’t let bad experiences get you down.

  • I frequently relapsed for lengths of time after months of solid progress. The entire process has been constantly going 2 steps forward and then 1 step backward again. Things always turned around on a long enough timeline.

  • As much as I hate to say that part of this is in your head, it’s almost impossible to go through this without it having any mental impact and that can send you into a spiral. Acknowledge that this is happening and address it as part of your recovery efforts.

  • There’s something wrong with all of us, and that get exponentially more true as we get older. I found women to be mostly understanding and empathetic in relationships. I had a harder time, but I didn’t have to compromise on who I dated because I was “broken”.

Final impression:
I’m half a year into a very sexually active relationship. She’s happy and although I know there’s room for improvement, staying where I am right now wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. The last 5 years would have been so much easier if I would have known that this is where I’d end up.

So you recovered your morning/ noctrunal erections? In what time frame? How long did you go without them?

What about libido?

Thanks for the update. This is another story that proves that time is the common element in recoveries.

If I remember correctly, morning erections returned pretty much immediately after I discontinued use of the medication although I don’t want to discourage anyone that is experiencing something different. Prior to that, it had been a really long time since I had a morning erection. Possibly years.

Libido was very poor for a long time after I went off medication. I experimented several times with going for a week or so without any sexual activity and it didn’t make any difference. I still remember having my first urge to masturbate after seeing a photo. It was a huge deal at the time. I can’t remember how long that was, but it felt like it was a year or more since I quit.

A year and a half ago I had a good streak for 3 months (this would have been 3 years after I quit). Things have steadily picked up since then and I’m currently at a point where I want to have sex whenever I see my girlfriend (and have trouble holding out for even a couple days if we visit family).

Thanks for the reply.

So the side effects that didnt resolve for month/ years after you went off the medication where:

-low libido
-brainfog

  • low semen volume
    -pleasureless orgasm

Of these the libido and brainfog resolved however you still struggle with low semen volume and orgasms that are less intensive (even though these two have also improved)?

Is that correct?

Did you experience any physical change like muscle loss, penile shrinkage or collagen loss in the face?

What about energy lvls post use? Did you feel fatiqued often or normal energy lvls albeit with no sex drive?

I suppose I didn’t format that very well. My original problems are in bold, and my current state is in normal text below. The morning erections came back very quickly, but the rest took quite a while. I’d say that about 3 years in I started to notice some noteworthy improvements although it came in stretches that would come and go. At times I’d go back to the worst I’d ever been before I progressed forward again although the last year has been very good. I hope this helps!

- No spontaneous/morning erections
90% This has almost completely resolved.

- Difficulty getting/keeping an erection
80% Only ever an issue when by myself, and worlds better than I used to be.

- Very poor sexual stamina
60% This could easily be 80% or more if you take the fact that I’m 10 years older into account. I’d like a little more improvement but things are back to being in a good place.

- Weak ejaculation
30% There’s room for improvement here but I’m definitely better than I used to be. It still feels like not everything is involved when the moment arrives.

- Weak orgasms
30% This number might scare some people, but I cannot stress enough how night and day the difference is in terms of my overall enjoyment. I was in a great place before and now that last couple of seconds is just pretty good.

- Lack of sensation
80% Huge improvement here.

- Lack of sex drive
80% Huge improvement here as well.

- Irritated sensation in prostate that would last for days
70% I still run into this here and there, but it’s nowhere as often or as severe as it used to be.

- Intermittent brain fog
90% I don’t even really notice this anymore.

Congrats! That is great news!