Neck and Back muscle tightness and cramps while sleeping

[martinM]

One of the major problems happens during sleep and it’s getting worse.

Imagine standing straight up. Keeping your eyes straight in your head look at the sky. Your neck is at such an angle the back of your head almost touches your back. Add to this your shoulders tightening. They move forward and upward as tight as possible.

I’m waking up every morning like this. I get so tight at night that my joints pop out of place. Both my shoulders pop out and a couple of ribs around where my heart is (upper chest). This position is causing me to snore and exhaust me. It’s also gotten so bad that my shoulders have literally pulled themselves into the body reducing my measurements. I have lost ability to do some exercises due to lack of mobility.

I researched MS and Parkinsons and while I have a few of the symptoms it’s not an overall match. My muscles are definitely softer, more rigid, and lack the elastic reaction of my pre fin self.

While exercise does help loosen me up I’m not making improvements here. In the long run I am degenerating. Does this sound familiar with anyone else? Any advice?

[troubledfinuser2]

I have the exact same symtoms recently.

Its funny cause if i stretch just one arm for say 20 secs upon awakening myy body looks like 2 different halves put together, the streched shoulder would sit a like 4 inches or so lower than the non stretched shoulder.

I think its stress related. I had this before and it went away in a year or so but so did most of my symptoms.

This particular symptom came back to me after i stopped trt. Very much like when i quit propecia so theres deffinetly a connection there.

Ive also got carpel tunnel syndrome at the same time wich i allso remembered having when i quit propecia.
Dont think its MS but im going to get checked out by a good neuro doc just to be sure. Worst thing is that MS can explain every symptom i ever had yet im still pretty confident we dont have ms.

The only thing that differs in my labs when having these symptoms are higher cortisol. Well and i have higher T now too but doubt thats a connection…

[martinM]

@troubledfinuser2

I think its stress related. I had this before and it went away in a year or so but so did most of my symptoms. This particular symptom came back to me after i stopped trt. Very much like when i quit propecia so theres deffinetly a connection there. Worst thing is that MS can explain every symptom i ever had yet im still pretty confident we dont have ms.

The only thing that differs in my labs when having these symptoms are higher cortisol. Well and i have higher T now too but doubt thats a connection…

I disagree with the stress aspect, I don’t have stress at all now. I’ve had varying levels of stress during my time on and after fin. Right now it’s at a low but the cramps are at a high.

You were on trt and it wasn’t there, you go off trt and this comes? It seems to me this suggests a problem with the testesterone and NO synthesis while sleeping. Your body could be compensating with higher cortisol because something happened with your test levels, perhaps downstream? This would explain the reaction after you went off TRT, no? I still have the problem of soft, inelastic muscles.

The relaxation aspect could also be due to neurotransmitters or steriods imbalanced.

Something else I just read that makes sense from Wikipedia:

“Blood-brain barrier breakdown: The blood–brain barrier is a capillary system that should prevent entrance of T cells into the nervous system.[4] The blood–brain barrier is normally not permeable to these types of cells, unless triggered by infection or a virus, which decreases the integrity of the tight junctions forming the barrier.[4] When the blood–brain barrier regains its integrity, usually after infection or virus has cleared, the T cells are trapped inside the brain.[4]”

Not jumping up and pointing a finger here but it is possible Fin impaired the blood brain barrier.

[martinM]

Here’s a post from Dr. Chrysler’s forum. Supplementing T3, not Armour, helped to relieve muscle tightness:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4897&page=3

Some people are able to do fine on armour. If you are an armour responder there is not really a need to change, unless you suspect that there is a possibility you could feel better. Personally I think that cytomel is a much easier drug to take. When you have t4 in your preparation, you will always an unknown as to how efficiently the T4 converts. Also bc of the long T4 half life and the adjusting can really be challenging. If you get overstimulated on t3, it is a really easy adjustment it take from a few hrs to a couple days. With cyotmel you can take it once/day. I take 87.5 when I wake up each morning. It lasts me through the day.

The mistake people make is thinking that bc cytomel peaks in the blood within a few hours that its action peaks the same way. Not true.

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Until few days ago I had it nailed with rT3 and Cytomel.

Now I have to figure out if BMR is a real tool, or exotic distraction.
BMR is the gold standard of metabolism measurment. With that said, I have never had my BMR measured. For me cardiac tissue is very telliing. I took basal pulse rates, resting pulses, blood pressue, blood sugar, and temperature measurements to figure out how my tissues responded. In the protocol they also use EKG’s and trigger points (that access muscle sensitivity). I have noticed that my muscles are much looser than before. My necessity to stretch is much less and my visits to the chiropractor are fewer and further between.

Would I like to have my BMR, my before and after EKG’s, my achillies reflex, trigger points, tested evaluated, plotted, charted and tracked? Sure, I would love to. Problem is that I have a wife, kids, a business to run, bills etc. For me it was the most feasible to get the book learn the theories and present them to my “medical professional adviser”. Which is what I did.

I got bounced around form doc to doc like I was a freaking whack job with all my symptoms. It is not easy when people who are supposed to be professionals in their field are telling you that you don’t have a thyroid problem cecause your labs are in range and that you should have your head checked.

As I have explained, many hormones in my labs have resolved as have almost all of my symptoms. That is really the motivation of my posts. Most people when they feel fine, they just drop off the forums and they never give any other their experience back. That that is not me. It really just irks me to the core how ****ing arrogant, know nothing, endocrinologists with all the power they have can be so condensing, yet so ****ing wrong. It is really a sad state of affairs.

So I am here to tell my story. It took me a couple years to figure it out. Now I am hoping that I can at least influence other people enough to be open minded to look into historicaly proven techniques of diagnosing and managing thyroid so they don’t have to go the same road I had to.