Yes, twice in the morning and twice at the end of the afternoon. Sounds like a lot but my body can easily handle it and each time i see result. If i skip the afternoon i hardly sleep. But again, you need to combine this with healthy diet otherwise it wont work.
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Leave the overthinking to me, overthinking is my middle name. Looks like I gotta get over my enema phobia and just give it a try, someone in the Me/CFS community Iām in reported the same things you are from it. Been doing my research today on how to do it and I think I got a good grasp on it, I wonāt lie Iām dreading inserting a tube up my ass and pumping myself full of coffee but I really gotta just bite the bullet here and give this a go.
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I understand, i felt the same, but it was absolutely worth it. Better than any medicine iāve ever taken. Good luck!
I had the same problem. Seemingly healthy diets decreased subjective health especially sleep quality while pizza or other carbohydrate/fat rich food helped.
What i learned that worked for me:
Always when i tried to eat healthier i increased my protein intake while limiting fats or carbs. It took me years to finally try a low protein diet instead of low carb/low fat. Low protein diet means lesser amount of methionine/methyl donors and leads to certain epigenetic changes. Out of all diets i tried low protein was one of the most promising things so far.
Another thing i learned was about the whole lectin thing and that veggies =/ veggies, carbs =/ carbs and so on. Itās more important which veggies or which carbs you consume than avoiding one group or increasing another one. Avoiding lectins at all seemed to help. Some grains dont fit with me at all (like rice) while stuff like pseudograins seem to work better (despite them havin lectins).
Then there is a bloodtype diet. It states that every blood type reacts with certain lectins. Completely pseudoscience but some testimonials saying it changed peoples lifes after all medical approaches failed. My experiences with it are mixed. I had great success eliminating the stuff it says i should not eat (mostly lectin rich stuff and animal protein) but the things it says i should eat (like legumes or peanuts) donāt work for me.
I also seem to do better if i avoid sulfur rich foods like cruciferous veggies, allium vegetables (like onions) and again animal proteins.
A big questionmark for me are hormones. I react with severe side effects to all synthetic hormones like thyroid hormones, vit-D, insulinā¦ I also have clear signs of endocrine problems like gyno, extreme hair loss and night sweats with no clear indication for it in my hormone levels despite some changing thyroid values. Everything speaks more for a receptor dysregulation, most likely paired or caused by the epigenetic dysregulation.
Meat contains hormones, milk contains even more hormones and fatty stuff like butter contains the most (since they are fat soluble). On the other hand at least low protein animal fats seem to help me and itās unclear if natural animal hormones would act in the same way as synthetic hormones.
Trial and error seems to be the most important for me. Donāt just group all grains, veggies, fishes or whatever together.
For example:
Beef/chicken/white fish + rice/potatoes + tomatoe salad/onions/legumes would completely nuke my sleep and feels literally worse after a few days than just eating chocolate and cake. This was mostly what i ate when trying to eat āhealthyā
A meal of small amounts of duck/fatty fish + millet/buckwheat + leafy greens/root vegetables for example is a completely different world and gives me the benefits that a healthy diet should and even reversed some side effects.
You shouldnāt copy it though. If it works for me it doesnāt mean it has to work for you. The only improvements i made so far was when i did stuff that nobody else recommended.
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In my opinion what you are experiencing when you eat cruciferous veggies and meat is a detox reaction of your body, which is actually a good thing. As i wrote above i also would not sleep after eating cruciferous veggies, fat and animal protein if i did NOT do the coffee enema in the afternoon. The enema eliminates most of the detox symptoms by clearing out the toxins which were dumped in your bloodstream by eating this healthy diet.
There are no nutritions in pizza, chocolate and cake which your body can use to detox itself from itās poisons, that is why you feel better. There is no detox reaction. But as soon as you start eating the right foods (veggies, fat and animal protein), than you body can start the detox process which actually makes you feel bad. But again, this is a good sign. These symptoms can make you feel very bad, as i know cause i am experiencing them daily, which can make you think you have an allergic reaction or whatever to these foods, but you have not. It is just detox symptoms but i understand why you would avoid them.
If eating peanuts makes you feel (much) worse than there is a good chance you are also copper toxic, cause peanuts are high in copper. Eating any foods high in copper is bad so avoid these as much as possible.
This is just my opinion and i respect everybody with different views but i think you are a perfect candidate to try the healthy diet and coffee enema as i described above. Just eat this healthy diet early in the afternoon and do your enema in the evening and see what happens.
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I donāt think is has anything to do with detox for me. Like i said itās more about epigenetic regulation and thats what a diet change most certainly does. If supplements with methyl donors worsen my problem then it makes sense that meat also worsens it but thats just individual. Some people have recovered with methyl donors.
Actually i feel good on copper rich foods. My copper levels are also in the lower range.
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Great discussion guys. Iāve seen many claims of people getting better from all types of diets. Including 3 citing high carb and junk food as their answer. It is individual imo
Having low copper is even a sign of copper toxicity, i had the same. Read about it here:
But again, this is just my experience. I was a very worse case and i could just not imagine that eating foods that humans did since they exicst (veggie, fat and meat) could make me worse. I pushed through and now these foods are making me feel better but the poison is still coming out, which is good of course. Switching to junk-food will stop this process so, of course, i stick with healthy foods. In my opinion junk-food does nothing for your body and make you worse in the long run. But again, just my experience and opinion. I still think it is worth a try if you seem to be stuck in your progress.
Its a similar reaction to alcohol aswell,
If I have big amounts of alcohol next day or the same day Iāll feel better, even with a hangover ect. Then when hangover subsides I feel worse again. Same thing. Alcohol isnāt good for you As is Junk food. But it is for PFS symptoms . Ay this condition is messed up.
Iāve recently gotten more consistent improvements with the weirdest change, I started cooking my peanut butter I was having for breakfast in the morning with chia seeds and had an improvement in my baseline over a week. In any amount the cooked peanut butter would not produce any of the brain burning thing, it might slow my system down a bit but nothing horrible. When I started doing that if I had anything enriched like rice or bread the worsening in my general state was much more apparent with the familiar anhedonic brain burny state. It appears at least based on what Iām getting now my final push to fully recover has to do with stopping a process going on in my microbiome that has to do with bacteria over producing something with the help of certain nutrients and substrate like carbs. Switching my rice to basmati also helped my baseline a bit. It seems less starch = more better for me. Corn didnāt worsen anything. Peas didnāt worsen anything. Potato if I had too much would make me more brain foggy and mentally dull but didnāt really do the brain burn thing that seems to be the worst with rice implying something in rice starch or with a component in it (youād be surprised how many plant compounds are in rice) the bacteria was able to produce this thing overloading something in the nervous system and screwing up my receptors (lactic acid? tryptophan and metabolites? Something else toxic? no idea).
Now what I did next was really ridiculous but Iām a professional idiot so leave the weird experimentation to me. I noticed if I went out and ate a bunch of fried greasy seafood complete with lots of fries that whole reaction though Iād feel like sluggish garbage wouldnāt occur, I had a feeling though I ate a bunch of that crap the bacteria due to the load was somehow being blocked from producing the thing. So I fasted a couple days and had an idea. What if I poisoned that baceriaās feed? So I made a bunch of rice and veggies but this time after I microwaved it to death with the idea that if it hit the colony and it started trying to feed with the mutant microwave blasted garbage it would kill the bacteria. As I was eating it something interesting happened, the reaction I got only reached my cheeks and part of my eyes! It didnāt hit my forehead and screw up the sensors in the skin there with that brain burning feeling. This implies something was being produced that rose up through probably the vagus nerve (I also got some modulation of symptoms in almost random directions from nicotine) to the facial nerves to harm them. My digestive system obviously was not happy with the feast and the day after my senses were much more clear and there was no brain burny afterglow in the morning either. My sexual response was completely normal, skin sensation 100 percent. I felt like shit otherwise because I essentially nuked my gut colonies but a day later I tried the food again but made normally, some warming up there but almost nothing besides feeling more tired and blah cause I ate too much. Yesterday was alright and today Iām starting to get more back on my feet again and everything is still fine. Iām going to make the same thing tonight normally again and monitor my reaction to it over the next few days. As of right now besides wanting some more serotonin like pleasure (which may be due to killing something also producing shitloads of tryptophan and metabolites) everything is 100 percent back online including sexuality and drive to accomplish thing along with desire to enjoy things. Lately Iāve been getting back into hobby stuff like music collecting and doing discogs stuff, watching shows, and planning more for the future.
I really hope Iām completely out of the woods now and just need to ironically bring back more tryptophan producers but this may give the receptors if they were severely upregulated from a possible previous overload then this may be something positive.
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Alcohol gives your liver something else to do so it stops detoxing the copper, after the alcohol is out of your system your liver switches to copper again. That is why you feel worse again. At least that is my experience.