My trip to the ER -- Advice needed!

Hello all,

First, I must confess something: Before I started taking finasteride just over a week ago, I came across this forum while researching the drug. I had read the clinical trial information and believed the drug was safe, and because I wanted it to work for me, I dismissed most of these stories as being exaggerations or very rare circumstances that would never happen to me. I was wrong.

Before I get to my experience in the ER, I’ll give you the basic information and elaborate on some parts of it:

1) How did you find this forum?

Google search.

2) What is your current age, height, weight?

Age: 21
Height: 5’ 9" (176 cm)
Weight: 172 lbs (78 kg)

3) Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?

I used to exercise 6 days/week, but have not been to the gym in over two months.

4) What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?

Healthy, protein-rich diet. I’ve been trying to lose some weight in the last few months, and my daily caloric intake is around 1800 Kcal.

5) Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?

Hair loss / receding hairline.

6) For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?

Eight or nine days.

7) How old were you when you started Finasteride?

21 years old.

8) How old were you when you quit?

21 years old.

9) How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?

Cold turkey.

10) What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?

Generic Proscar. My father takes Proscar for his BPH, and I decided it would make more sense to try Finasteride before committing to buying Propecia.

11) What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?

I divided the Proscar pills into fourths (1.25 mg ) for the first six days or so, and then decided to cut the remaining two fourths in half (.625 mg ).

12) How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?

Second or third day.

13) What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

(Explained below.)

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[ ] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[ ] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[ ] Loss of Morning Erections
[ ] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ ] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[X] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ ] Depression / Melancholy

Physical
[ ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[X] Testicular Pain
[ ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ ] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[X SEE BELOW] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

14) What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?

See below.

15) If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

See below.

16) Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?

See below

17) Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

Okay, here’s my story. It’s a little complicated, but I’ll do my best.

I began taking finasteride just over a week ago, after discussing it with my dermatologist. He wrote me a script for Propecia, but I did not fill it immediately because I wanted to do some research beforehand. I was also hesitant about spending big bucks for what I considered to be a relatively small issue; my hair loss is minor, but still significant, and I figured it would be best to treat the problem while I am young.

After doing some superficial research, I deemed the drug safe. My dad suggested that, instead of buying Propecia, I take his generic Proscar and cut it into smaller doses—as many other people have done. So I did.

At this point I should talk about my overall health: I’ve been dealing with Depression for the last five years and have taken several kinds of antidepressants without success. I have seen a few psychologists and psychiatrists during this time, but my progress has been very slow. Just in the last year and half or so, I noticed a steep reduction in my already-relatively-low libido. My libido dropped after I discontinued an antidepressant medication—which is usually the opposite of what normally happens (typically one’s libido would increase after getting off the meds). Therefore, keep in mind that my “baseline” libido is very low to almost non-existent. Just to rule out any medical cause for this, I went to see my family physician—who is an idiot—to get my hormone levels tested. This was back in June of 2008. The bloodwork was less-than-comprehensive, to say the least, but all the levels were within range:

Prolactin: 6.86 (1.8 – 14.4 ng/mL)
Testosterone, Total: 482 (262 – 1593 ng/dL)
TSH: 1.1502 (0.35 – 4.94 uIU/mL)

Coincidentally, the day before I began taking finasteride, I asked my doctor to perform a full bloodwork analysis. I asked for the blood test because I was still worried about having thyroid issues, unrelated to my hairloss or finasteride, and I specifically requested to have a comprehensive analysis of my blood—the whole shebang, including free testosterone and all other relevant hormones, prolactin, complete blood count, etc. Apparently, my worthless doctor failed to understand my request, and gave me the following limited test results:

FSH: 2.49 (1.6 – 18.1 mIU/mL)
LH: 2.79 (2.0 – 18.0 mIU/mL)
Testosterone, Total: 405 (262 – 1593 ng/DL)
Free T4: 0.95 (0.71 – 2.23 ng/dL)
TSH: 1.9801 (0.35 – 4.94 uIU/mL)
All values were “normal”, despite the fact that I received much less information than I asked for.

So, I began taking finasteride 1.25 mg. On the first day, I noticed nothing. Then, on either the second or third day, I began to feel a strange sensation in my groin. It was barely noticeable, and I thought it was just coincidental, or psychosomatic. A couple days went by and I didn’t notice anything. When I masturbated, I noticed no difference in my orgasm intensity, but my semen was slightly more watery. Then, on the sixth day or so, I cut the pill in half and took .625 mg. Sometime that day or the day after the sensation came back. This time, it was a little more noticeable. I felt around my testicles and perineum, but I couldn’t exactly identify where the sensation was coming from. I told my dad how I felt, but he dismissed the issue, saying I probably just pulled a muscle. Coincidentally, the day before I also started to feel the symptoms of a cold. My throat became sore and inflamed and I began coughing. I took the day off from work the following day and started to take nasal decongestants, antihistamines, and pain relievers to control the symptoms. I started to have trouble urinating—specifically, in initiating the flow. After I started to pee, I didn’t notice any other problems—no blood, no pain, no problem emptying my bladder completely. My cold started to get better a couple days later, and on Sunday, March 15, I went to work in the morning. During work, the sensation in my groin came back. During my lunch break I examined myself in the bathroom, but found nothing new. Urinating was a little difficult at first, but nothing alarming. I was also somewhat constipated, and felt lower back pain. After lunch, I still felt the pressure and discomfort around my pubic area, and my man-parts felt “sensitized.” I dealt with the discomfort until the end of the workday, and when I got off work I felt a little better. I had to attend a brief meeting after work, and during the meeting I was not in any pain. At 8 PM, I got in my car I drove home—and that is when everything went downhill.

About 15 minutes into the car ride, the sensation returned, but this time it became gradually worse. I try to shift my pelvis forward on the seat to relieve the pain, but I felt no relief. I tried to take my mind off of it by breathing deeply and listening to some music, but that didn’t work either. I was 20 minutes from home when I decided to call my dad and tell him about my pain. He said we would deal with it when I got home. By the time I pulled into the driveway, I was clenching the steering wheel and had to use my upper body strength to lift myself out of the car. I went inside and took a bath, but I still felt horribly uncomfortable. I decided to call two of my med school friends, and one of them suggested that it may have been a hernia that was aggravated by my coughing. The other friend told me I should go to the ER immediately. I tried to bear it out, but by that time I was in so much pain I had my parents drive me to the hospital.

After I was admitted to the ER (and after waiting an hour), a resident doctor came in and asked about my pain. I told him I felt pressure above my pubic bone and felt perineal pain. I then told him that I was taking finasteride, and that a small percentage of people taking the drug develop adverse effects, according to what I had read. He shrugged and said: “That’s probably not the issue.” After the questions, he pushed on my lower abdomen and asked if I felt any pain—no, just some pressure. He felt my testicles, but I didn’t feel any particularly sharp pain there either. Then he said he would have to perform a rectal exam. Oh fun. While fishing around up there, he announced that he was going to push on my prostate. When he did, I shouted OW OW OW STOP STOP! When he touched it again, it felt even more painful. He then told me that he believed I had prostatitis.

So why the hell did I have an enlarged prostate? The doctor could not tell me. After setting up the IV the nurse gave me some pain medication (Dilaudin) and administered an antibiotic (Ciprofloxacin). The attending doctor showed up and said I most likely had acute prostatitis. I asked him questions like: Why did this happen? Will it happen again? Does it have anything to do with the drug I was taking? Or did I just get an infection during my cold? He couldn’t answer any of my questions, but gave me a script for Vicodin and Cipro. I was discharged from the hospital after spending 3 hours in the ER.

The next day was Monday, and I still felt strange near my groin. Of course, I stopped taking finasteride that morning. I tried to masturbate in the evening to make sure there was no blood or anything bad, but masturbating was very uncomfortable. My orgasm was not in itself painful, but it wasn’t a pleasant experience. It is now Tuesday, and my pain is 95% better, but I still feel very sensitive down there. I am scheduled to see a urologist tomorrow morning, and I will give an update after my visit.

I realize this forum is mostly for men who continue to have adverse effects despite discontinuing the drug, but I just wanted to tell my story and see if any of you can weigh in on this issue, as I am not able to explain why I developed prostatitis on a medication which theoretically reduces the size of the prostate. Why did this all happen in a matter of days? Is it just a coincidence? I had a healthy, normal prostate before taking the medication, and now I am worried my sexual health is worse off than it already was. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Welcome to the forum.

Regarding your prior use of antidepressants and low libido, I suggest you google the symptoms of Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction or studies like this:

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1457

SSRIs have been implicated in decreased libido, ED and various other sexual and mental dysfunction which can continue despite ceasing the medications, as well as lowered Testosterone production. Looking at your results here, it would seem you are on the lower end of the scale for a man your age. Perhaps your prior use of SSRIs has something to do with it.

I think you may be confused – prostatitis is not a symptom of “an enlarged prostate”, but rather a bacterial infection of the prostate which can cause persistent pain. BPH is what is commonly referred to as an enlarged prostate.

Without bacterial cultures or testing, you won’t really know if you have “prostatitis”. Without a prostate ultrasound, you also won’t know if you have an enlarged prostate (highly doubtful).

My guess is the unpleasant sensations you were experiencing were a direct result of Finasteride’s mechanisms of action: to atrophy, involute (loss of function) and cause cellular apoptosis and decreased bloodflow/vascularity of the prostate via androgen deprivation (inhibiting DHT). Quitting should hopefully reverse these changes over time.

Since you only took the drug for a week give or take, I highly doubt prostatitis settled in during that time, although I suppose anything is possible.

At this stage I would simply give your body a break and wait a number of weeks to see if everything goes back to normal, as most likely it should… if so, you will have no need for Cipro or Dilaudin (Cipro in particular has some nasty side effects so one shouldn’t take it unless absolutely required).

You may want to do some followup bloodwork to make sure things are ok.

Hey Lucius, sounds like you’ve had a pretty nasty week!

To give you my two cents, I would be surprised if finasteride has caused you any long-lasting problems given the very short time you’ve been taking it. It’s not a nice drug, but it’s very, very unlikely to do that.

The prostate pain you experienced, oddly enough, sounds similar to what I experienced taking saw palmetto. It was like a dull achy-type pain, just above my perineum, and I had it on-and-off when taking the drug - and, more often, when coming off it. I never thought much about how significant it could be, and I always figured it was just the prostate mildly changing in size in reaction to the fluctuations of DHT in the area. It was really annoying and distracting, but at the same time it didn’t stop me getting on with my day-to-day life and it always went away within a week.

One other thing of note is that your T level - while in range - is still quite low for your age. This might have been causing the low sex drive both before and after starting on the drug. I’d wager that your pain sensation is a result of finasteride’s effect on the prostate’s size, and thus it’ll hopefully resolve within a week now that you’ve stopped.

Thank you for the quick and helpful replies!

@Mew:

After discontinuing the SSRIs, I mentioned this exact concern to my psychiatrist, but he did not have much to say in response. You’re very right: It is all-too-likely that there is some causal explanation for why my libido diminished shortly after stopping the medications, because even when I felt depressed, I still had reasonably healthy libido. I’ll definitely look into this Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction phenomenon and share this theory with my doctors.

I’m sorry–you’re correct. I meant to say “inflamed.” I doubt my prostate has grown in size.

What specifically should I have tested? When I see the urologist tomorrow, is there anything I should say or request? What if he is unconvinced by the theory that finasteride caused this? I’ll print out some of the studies just in case.

I do not want to stay on Cipro, because I have heard negative things about it even outside of these forums.

@Gimzim:

Yes! It started off as a dull-achy pain, but for whatever reason, it became extremely uncomfortable in a very short amount of time. Not a very pleasant sensation.

I agree. It’s unfortunate that some doctors are not perceptive enough to believe anything “within range” could still be abnormal. Very soon I will be seeing a new physician, and I will share my concerns with him.

I believe both you and Mew are right in saying the effects are temporary and should go away very soon. I am glad this is the case, but I still commiserate with anyone else who has been adversely affected by finasteride. The drug is not safe, and people need to be fully informed before taking the it–and probably shouldn’t take it at all.

Hey again Lucius,

Mew is right in saying that SSRIs could have caused the low libido in you. At the same time, it’s also possibe that your low libido results from your low T count, which might be a result of something else. It’s impossible to say at this stage.

I’d explain to your urologist that you’ve been having these symptoms, and see what they say. You should have them properly check out your prostate, to ensure that’s OK. With regard to blood tests, a basic assessment would check total testosterone, free testosterone, estradiol, and prolactin. Since finasteride affects DHT, it might be worth getting that checked also. It really depends how helpful your urologist is.

The pain you had does sound very similar to what I had myself. I’ve yet to find an adequate explanation for it, but it’s only ever come on when I’ve taken saw palmetto.

Here is my opinion of your situation Lucius (nice name). Welcome to the forums. :sunglasses:

Yes you were, but also right about these cases being rare. Not as rare as 2% though, more like at least 30% I’d say have the signs of these troubling problems stressing their bodies, and a smaller group’s bodily functions totally collapse as a result of the drug’s stress on the normal physiological functions.

You were an idiot. And now, you know that you were an idiot too late (I mean idiot in the sense of the word - “naive” - not as an insult). I entered this miasma not knowing these stories, and would have avoided fin had I known, but that’s just me and is not medically relevant.

Boo hoo. Please now know that it’s better to lose some hair thickness/density than to require medical attention, and not get what you need from these clowns in white coats.

Suspiciously low. But Mew already indicated that (haven’t read his post yet, but I know he probably will because he’s not as dumb as your doctors are). Yes even your T does not look so hot.

Your previous case of SSRI-induced libido loss is common, just not common enough for your foolish psych doctor to be privy to the issue. Perhaps consider a dopamine agonist (Bromocriptine, Amantidine, maybe even some L-Dopa) to oppose increased serotonin with dopamine. This is partially how serotonin syndrome is reversed - with DA agonists. A practitioner would provide you with needed dosages.

Also, your little trick dividing the pill thinking it will not have as potent an effect was just an illusion. Finasteride has a flat dose response at as low levels as, something like .05mg. Don’t know the exact number at the moment.

Are you certain this was a muscular pain, or was it more internal? I am currently going through lower back pain as well, however I feel it to not be muscular, but deeper, near the kidneys. Can you clarify please.

I don’t believe you called your father due to the mere pain, you may have tangentially been going through a subtle sense of fear and panic. Again, I’m looking toward your adrenals… If you were uncharacteristically anxious or wired, this is sounding like my story.

Then again, if it felt as though you were having a piece of metal ripped through your prostate by a magnet, or like internal bleeding/contusion, I can get why the pain would be that severe that you’d tell your dad asap.

I have a supposition to chew on (which is what Mew stated above). Finasteride causes apoptosis of the prostate cells. This is “programmed cell death”. Perhaps there either was an availability or access point for a bacterium to exploit with finasteride doing it’s job as a prostate killer. This may also be decreased immunity due to adrenal exhaustion, but that is very tangential and uncertain.

Gladly for you, you haven’t taken the poison for too long. Only longer than me by a few days tho, and I got set back years from this. You have likely escaped serious long term impotence, brain fog, and other hormonal, sexual problems from that garbage.

Remember, as I can see by your (still intact) understanding of the dilemma you went through and clear way explaining it, you hardly have any “brain fog”. Don’t hop on this drug ever again cuz you might get that (especially since I personally feel your adrenals are suspect). There is no way in hell you should re-take that crap until you get your libido back and confirm what’s going on downstairs, hence this last point.

Hah. Request him to not be a nimrod, but more specifically…

Definitely examine the prostate and confirm your diagnosis of prostatitis with evidence - bacterial culture test, ultrasound, whatever. Don’t close the case just because you felt pain and swelling, and the doctor gave you the name of a condition that fits. Get proof.

Also, make sure you clarify him that you got this only when you started using finasteride. Otherwise he will glaze over that and just treat the likely infection. The ER doc telling you fin probably didn’t do this too, that’s very very much the widespread medical ignorance which purveys most practices. Docs in the know will disagree. Refer to other prostatitis cases from fin here on this board - we don’t have a section on it for the lulz.

I say give yourself time to allow the prostate matter to be solved and cured, then look into your prior problems from the SSRI. Good luck. And if you’re experiencing a lot of stress, I also recommend you take it easy.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

I appreciate your opinion, 3pm.

In case there was any doubt: I have definitely learned my lesson from all of this. I’ve now become very skeptical about the pharmaceutical industry and health practitioners in general.

I’ll look into this–thanks for the suggestion.

I think it was muscular. Prior to taking finasteride, I did not have any lower back problems. I can’t recall doing any heavy lifting during this time, or putting any unusual stress on my lower back. Whatever the case, for several days I felt aches and pain in that area.

Yes–this is how I felt. I did feel anxious and panic-y, but I don’t know if this can be directly attributed to the drug itself. I was feeling a very unusual kind of discomfort, unlike anything I had ever felt before–and maybe in that situation fear/panic is a normal response. But you’re right: I didn’t make the call simply because I was in pain. I was short of breath and began to sweat.

I’ll be sure to get proof (or as much proof as I can get) of the prostatitis diagnosis from the urologist, and I’ll make it very clear to him that I believe finasteride had something to do with all of this.

Thanks again.

Remember: You’re not gonna get that proof without a fight. Intellectually fight this guy as much as you need to.

I also have news for you… Finasteride doesn’t cause muscle stress (only TOTAL BODY myopathy). Your back strain wasn’t just a back strain. Get emotionally aggravated again, really exacerbate your mind and ventilation, yell a few times… you may perhaps find that after such an ordeal, you re-enter that state of panic, and maybe even get that back pain.

Any rate, you clarified it for me. You need those adrenals checked out; they were very possibly being over-taxed and squeezing out excess fight or flight hormones. Why do I say this? Because I had the same thing…it was one of the very first signs of my fin-induced collapse - Hypervigilance. Worry. Anxiety. It was like being on speed (tho I’ve never done speed lol).

Your real problem with fin systemically was likely two-fold.

Most importantly may have been it’s ability to strip your brain of allopregnanolone, which is an important GABA-a agonist and natural anxiolytic. When you’re stressed out, this hops up from your adrenal glands and allows you to stay cool under pressure. No cool compress, no way you can cool down. You had a near panic attack, and it was the prostate pain that probably amped you up enough to freak.

You also had prostate pain from the bacteria infesting your prostate (presumably…I’m sure prostate pain can occur due to screwing with the hormones that it relies on to grow causing size and composition changes - hence why you should know for sure “what’s up down there”).

I’m not judging this by random “see what fits and hope it sticks” diagnosing… this side effect is a known one and it has happened to many, many people here. At any rate just take it easy and treat the prostate thingy, you should end up better.

Print out these studies and bring them in.

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1402
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=201
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1071

Suggestion: also consider trying some Valerian root if you still find you’re a bit uncharacteristically over-stressed and strung out by this. I doubt the back pain is just a back pain.

Update:

Saw the urologist this morning. After discussing my concern about finasteride with him, he–predictably–dismissed the idea. I acknowledged that the theory was shaky at best, and agreed that because I was only on the drug for a week or so, it was unlikely that it would cause these symptoms. I, unlike him, was more interested in the cause of the problem than whether the problem would go away. I assume it will.

Anyway, the urinalysis from the ER showed no signs of bacterial infection. They took a urine sample at the office, and again, there was nothing abnormal. The doctor checked for signs of a hernia, genital sensitivity, etc., but found nothing. He checked my prostate–nothing (except discomfort). I urinated and they performed an ultrasound to see if my bladder was not completely emptied. It was. They could not take a bacterial culture because I have been on Cipro since the ER.

I’m still a bit frustrated. The dr.'s theory was that some urine had backed up into the prostate, causing irritation/infection. Or, less likely, I had some pelvic floor muscle issue that may have caused this. In any event, he gave me a few samples of Uroxatral (a smooth muscle relaxant used to treat BPH) to take for a couple of weeks. I still feel slight discomfort, but I hope this works.

edit: I did also point out my testosterone, FSH, and LH levels to him. He shrugged and said they were in the low range, but nothing to worry about. sigh.

Did you actually read, and show him the printed studies I provided links to? If so what did he say about them?

Not sure why you’d doubt that when I and others (and the studies provided) have given you the exact mechanism of action of the drug – it’s designed to atrophy your prostate and cause progressive loss of function via cell death, and mimics the effects of castration on the prostate (though not quite, due to upregulated Testosterone production which can compensate somewhat for lack of DHT).

The process of this damage begins almost immediately upon taking it – and in one of the studies provided, it was shown Fin significantly reduces prostatic vascularity within only 2 weeks – so the fact you took it for 9 days, and the fact it can take up to a month for 5AR2 enzyme to regenerate and thus DHT to come back to baseline means that, taken together, all of that probably explains why you were getting prostate pain from the drug.

Why you continue to have self-doubt about this, I have no idea.

I’d do yourself, your body and health a favor and consider coming off Cipro for what is very likely a non-existant case of prostatitis.

Right… as soon as you take Finasteride, a prostate-damaging drug, you experience all these problems, and there’s no way it’s related to the drug… riiight.

I think you are playing with fire and ignoring the obvious: you took a drug that was designed to destroy your prostate, it started doing what it was designed to do and you experienced pain in that region, quit and things started going back to normal.

Why you want to continue to take Cipro and now add ANOTHER prostate-damaging drug (Uroxatral, an alpha blocker with deleterious effects on the prostate) is beyond me.

Typical ignorant and uneducated response from another incompetent medical professional.

You need to work with a forward thinking and open-minded endocrinologist, or someone like Dr Crisler, Dr Shippen or Dr. Goldstein.

Anyway, if I were in your shoes I’d just give my body a break over the coming months instead of pumping myself full of other medications which also have their own serious side effects, and see how things go… otherwise you’ll never know the true cause of your issues. Most likely everything will go back to normal.

If you’d rather continue with the drugs, good luck to you.

Bad, bad Doctor visit.

See if it abates in a week or two. I echo Mew’s sentiments, do not further gamble with medications to treat something that is still only debateably existent.

And take the Valerian root, it’s safer than your Dr’s scripts, and will allow you to make better decisions. Don’t come here asking for help as long as you don’t listen to - hence respect - the experience this mass of data has collected, you’ll just be excessively wasting everyone, including your time, and further worrying yourself (again, why VR is useful in your case…). Anyone can benefit from it, but finasteride users especially.

I did print out these studies, and after briefly looking over them, he said that they did not explain my symptoms. I had half an hour to talk to this guy, and he did not seem to want to discuss finasteride any further.

Please explain how you’ve reached the conclusion that apoptosis and involution of the prostate have caused my physical symptoms. I do not doubt the pharmacological mechanism reported in these studies, and I’m a bit confused why you think I did. The theory is “shaky”, I believe, because it cannot adequately explain my symptoms, or attribute them solely to finasteride. Or am I wrong? I understand that not all medical problems are clearly understood, but I’m confused and trying to find some help.

I agree. However, suppose both you and I are wrong, and there is some bacterial infection. If I discontinue the antibiotics, the infection may get worse, and then I’ll really be in trouble. I would rather take the Cipro for the prescribed 10 days, and see what happens. I will not take it any longer than that.

I have not ignored the obvious facts, or your advice. It’s too early to say that things have started to go back to normal. I still feel discomfort. The doctor’s reason for having me take Uroxatral is that it will take some pressure off of the prostate. I think you might be right, and I don’t think I’ll take the drug.

I agree. I live in Michigan, and might be able to see Dr. Crisler, whose office is an hour and a half away. Hopefully, though, things will get better and that won’t be necessary.

Most uros don’t believe the drug can cause a host of problems which many on this forum continue to experience even after discontinuing. He’s also likely in the business of prescribing Finasteride for BPH – I highly doubt he would bother to make the correlation between your symptoms and the drug as a result. This is even more likely given the fact he only gave the studies provided a cursory glance, and decided they were completely irrelevant to your problem: PROSTATE PAIN.

Because, as mentioned previously:

  • Finasteride acts directly on the prostate, and involutes and causes loss of function via cell death, mimicing the effects of castration. This is NOT GOOD or HEALTHY FOR YOUR PROSTATE.

  • You experienced PAIN in the prostate only after taking Finasteride for 9 days

  • Studies show Fin acts rapidly on the prostate and reduces vascularity within 2 weeks

  • You quit the drug and things started to improve

Why is it such a leap for this doctor, and perhaps yourself to accept the fact the drug can have deleterious consequences on the prostate, and that any pain you experienced there is likely a result of usage?

I’m really not here to argue, to me the studies speak volumes and perhaps your Uro doesn’t want to read or believe them. The fact is, the drug destroys prostates. If you don’t think anything negative can come of that, including ED, penile shrinkage, impotence, decreasesed ejaculate volume and force, watery ejaculate, and PAIN… you have not done enough research.

It will probably take a few weeks, if not months for your prostate to recover so don’t expect miracles overnight.

Fair enough, good luck.

Anyway I’m not here to argue, believe what you want. You came here looking for help and an explanation, I gave you one. If you’d rather listen to your Uro, that’s your choice.