Ok, thanks.
cdnuts,
I admire your enthusiasm, and you have wise words, but I need lifelong drugs to fix my problems.
I eat very well.
Finasteride ruined me irreversibly and no root vegetable is going to fix that.
JN
JN,
Eating “very well” and eating correctly are two different things. If you choose to take that route, than godspeed. You have obviously made up your mind. Being a physician I don’t expect you to understand. Doctors are the biggest offenders of natural law. No offense.
cdnuts,
I think what I asked you was how can eating a strict, “correct” diet correct me physically and sexually. My testicles hang low from time to time, this was never the case. I don’t feel horny, I masturbate out of frustration. Something seems to have physically changed in me.
To my point, it seems like DHT is missing, something chemically. For the life of me, even the moment I felt recovered totally after DHT came back, for FIVE months I was golden, even though my testosterone levels were about the same what they are now like in the 400 range. Maybe my body had this reaction when DHT came back and now for some reason I am operating at a significantly lower level sexually. Like my body got used to suppressing DHT while on the drug, after I quit experienced a dark period for about two weeks and reverted back to my normal self…
And then again, my body reverted to a shitty state sexually. I know you will keep promoting your point about diet whch is fine and I accept it.
My theory is that DHT will help me…
I don’t know… there’s plenty of screwed up guys here who have high DHT.
I know but mine is in the low range 192pg/mL in a range of 106 to 719pg/mL…
I know I am missing something…
Anyone have any experience in dealing with feelings of muscle atrophy/tightness, or how to approach treating it? Any help is appreciated.
Yeah, exercise was only way for me. It’s consistnent, constant, and a bitch. I think I’ve recovered 50% of mass that was lost and doubled or tripled strength since my all time low. I’ve had times of 100% but I can’t seem to stay there…
Exercise routine is at least 4 times a weak, break down muscles, let them recover, focus on different groups, repeat.
What do you mean tight? Doesn’t that mean the opposite? Or are you actually weaker?
I don’t mean to speak for 3PM but in my case the muscles atrophy, are smaller (though improved some after exercise), weaker, and lost elasticity. I was first clued into this during an eye exam after lasik. The Doctor said my eye focusing muscles lost elasticity and reacted as if they were 70 years old.
So you feel more fatigue?
I describe it as a tightening only because it feels like my muscles are wasting, and thrive less (less mass etc). I see how it can sound opposite to wasting, but I doubt it is.
I was big into working out before I started working - gave myself a schedule and whatnot. I gained some size but it’s pretty amazing how quickly I can lose it. And even though exercise helped my body look better slightly, the feeling of muscle atrophy was still there.
Yes
A lot time has passed from your pre-fin state probably, but is your body actually looking different? Muscles smaller and stuff?
Sorry for the question, but I’m just very interested, as you’re also the one who took the pill only for a few days. I have a similar feeling in my body…
Oh yeah, definitely. Gain weight easily, muscles are smaller, etc.
3pm,
You can have high DHT and still be messed up. DHT could be in 5 AR I and not in 5 AR II. 3 adiol G is a better measure of 5 AR II.
then dht related sides would not be the problem. an enzymatic deficiency would mean different issues. when ppl take fin 5ar1 isnt known to override it anyway. i dont have much faith in that theory, but at least its basic.
what’s 3 adiol g’s bodily function anyway?
So, here’s another small update on my current status.
Symptoms remain. Having spent much of my time offline and focusing on other activities, I noticed a small, gradual improvement in mental clarity over the past 4 months, but nothing very substantial - just enough to get by.
I still struggle with:
- brain fog/confusion
- very low sex drive
- muscle atrophy
- smaller, lower-hanging testes
- some ED
It’s seemingly the basis of our condition: low-testosterone symptoms mixed with the bran fog aspect - easily another low androgen attribute. I, like Mew alluded to in his latest update post, have learned what it means to come to terms with living in this condition. We can still walk, speak to others (although we may still have trouble putting our thoughts to words quickly and accurately), so its not like we’re deeply disabled. Especially to the degree that anyone else notices. So when it comes to going out to the store, or talking on the phone, or working, you learn to find ways to make it work and adapt. Even if it does suck.
That hasn’t quelled me from giving up on a solution, of course. I still think about it often, imagining I can sort this out in the realm of the health care system. As we know, most doctors usually don’t understand, so that decreases the likelihood of success. So I wrote Crisler a letter before Christmas describing my unfortunate situation, and as soon as 2 weeks ago his office sent me papers on how to become a patient. Though it is encouraging and a certain way to get a comprehension of my endocrine function, I’d have to work some more in order to cover the expense. Being impaired as I am, I barely mustered the capacity to work a menial job, and thus my health insurance had to be switched over to Medicaid over the past year. I’m pretty useless when it comes to organizing that stuff due to my confusion, try as I might to overcome it it’s always a hurdle.
If I’m able to get another job in the coming weeks, there’s a good chance I will try to see him in mid-March. I figure I’ll pay for the fee to see him once in-person to really discuss this debacle the way it deserves to be discussed, and then I can have him consult my PCP in the future with tests and treatments. The truth is that I have no idea where my testosterone and such is anymore, so it is likely I need, and should try, to elevate that with a treatment like an HPTA restart. It would probably make a difference in how I feel, so there’s no reason to not try it. The “wait and see” natural approach, obviously, just prolongs the suffering. Some guys here have been mainstays of that philosophy for over five years and it gets you next to nowhere. I’m a fond advocate of taking responsibility for your own health, but there really is nothing that would adjust the condition of hormone deficiency we’re in like a medical treatment would.
On a separate note altogether, I’ve been having trouble maintaining my circadian rhythm of sleep lately, so I tried some Benadryl. I ended up trying about 100-200mg worth, because trying one dose ends up doing nothing, and I slept for ~2 hours. When I woke up, I felt quite mentally sharp and rested, which was a significant deviation from my post-Propecia norm. My lack of brain fog really prolonged throughout the day. I found it odd this would occur, and find it more than interesting that it reflects my Phenibut sleep-aid success. I can’t really know why it is that using a sleep-aid successfully I wake up feeling brain-fog free. If it were an isolated incident, ithappens story would be different. So I thought that was worth reporting as well. Perhaps I’ll discuss a sleep study with a doctor in the future. As far as my opinion of this situation’s root cause though, it has to be more than coincidence that I was able to reverse the entire condition with only a neurological approach. Even if it collapsed due to tolerance, the fact that an endocrine failure responded to a neurological treatment says something.
That’s where I’m at currently. I’m going back to doing daily exercise, and hope to join a gym in the near future. In the meantime, just managing this situation the best I can. Thanks for reading; any feedback is appreciated.
See him man…He’s really good…I’m seeing him right now…He is one of the best out there…
So how is Dr. Crisler approaching your situation then? I can’t find your Member Story?