My Saw Palmetto Nightmare

Even if so, I can still picture the masses taking overdoses and asking why they are getting worse instead of better, and those who take too little and say it doesn’t work, and those who do not take it long enough. Heck, I can picture some going back on the very thing that caused their syndrome in the first pace if they recovered. I have actually seen that. Moreover, pharma has no interest in curing people. A cure is a 1-time transaction. Temporarily masking the symptoms with a continuous supply of drugs is repeat business. Come on, those who talk about gene manipulation. Want a fix from pharma? Expect it to be a pill, cream, or shot as most their products are. Gene therapy will likely be approved only for life threatening diseases such as cancer, at least at first.

Not all that familiar with osha, just that it is an immune booster along with goldeseal and echinacea. Rather than copy and paste or repost, here is a hyperlink of my experience with these 2. I'm convinced it's autoimmunity

I have only seen white asparagus in glass jars on the canned food aisles on the shelves next to okra, olives, banana peppers, etc. Never saw fresh on the produce aisle. There is another variety of asparagus called shatavari. I take it you refer to the sweet fruits rather than oily fruits such as avocados. Not to be the semantics police, but the pod that holds the seed is the fruit of a plant. This makes okra a fruit technically. This makes avocados as much a fruit as peaches. It really depends what part of the plant we are referring. The red berries that grow on the asparagus plant are technically fruits. Asparagus can be a vegetable or a fruit. Then again, the berries of saw palm are fruits, oily ones at that. Red berries also grow on the ashwagandha plant, but nobody sells or consumes those for I don’t know why.

Wish I could recommend a propolis brand. I used the solid resin pieces with a generic label, so I’m not sure the brand. I prefer to make a liquid tincture from it and burn the leftover resin as a sort of incense. I don’t get clear answers from companies whether it is sourced from a region where that midget palm grows, so I abstain. There is a company in New York who doesn’t filter their honey leaving in the product the pollen, royal jelly, and propolis - very tasty. Don’t want to openly name the brand for reasons a plenty. I prefer to advocate sourcing supplements for free over giving the industries money. You and I were affected by the supplement industry while most the others were affected by the drug industry. It pains me utterly to the core to give money to an industry who caused major problems for me. That palm tree has the cons of trees and the cons of weeds. The only good thing is it won’t get so tall that a branch would be heavy enough to damage property or person. It has some sharp thorns though. Its only good use is as fire tinder, except a bit scared to inhale the smoke. Anyway, I prefer to harvest or grow my own supplement material. If not possible, I go for whole or cut material. Powders and liquid can be mixed with filler easier than whole or even cut pieces. You know what you get when you produce it yourself. The long list of additives on the labels makes me cringe. I expect you know these things already, but the masses may not. They only have to list ingredients directly added to the final product. They don’t have to list “processing aids”. Lets say they use lubricating oils on the machinery, it does not get on the label. Importantly, 1 thing to be very weary is products that say “proprietary blend”. Trade secret laws protect that information except for the top allergens. This means it could include saw palmetto or almost anything. Speaking of Indian cuisine and the likes, fenugreek makes me feel off by itself, but not in the context of curry blends. I have used curry seasoning to flavor dishes for years and years pre-saw, no problems.

I don’t trust most medical offices to calibrate the pressures cuffs correctly. They have an interest to make it seem higher to prescribe more drugs, make more money. When I check it at home, a store, a pharmacy even, it always much lower than a doctors office. I prefer water kefir over kombucha, and milk kefir over yogurt anyway. My favorite probiotics are from home-fermented meats. The stench and taste are foul, but mighty powerful.

It irks me that I cannot find any details behind the sida acuta hair loss. Ephedra causes hair loss too, except that is not a DHT pathway. Chemo also causes hair loss. If you try, keep me posted. I’m inclined to suspect sida acts on DHT pathways because it made my scalp itch, and my scalp never itched. It goes to show how desperate you are to be you again that you don’t care about the risk of hair loss. Speaking of labs, I never even saw a doctor for saw. I can see it going this way based off past unrelated experiences:

Kava has a natural creamy consistency. I do not use the powder; I use the cut and sifted root, boiled in water and filtered. I only used 3 brands without knowing whether they were heady or heavy. I will tell you the brands privately. I only used 1 brand of kratom. Likewise, I used the cut and sifted leaves; maeng da red, green, and white, preferring red. I shall name the brand discreetly.

It would be nice to get a blood, tissue, urine, and hair test of what vitamins, minerals are high or low. It will be more telling than just 1 route. It would be nice to check all these parameters with hormones and etc too. Alas, they can do it, but they don’t because, because, because, because of the wonderful things they do (n’t). I’m sure you get the reference. It would be expensive anyway. Nonetheless, good on you for taking action. I shudder to think how awful I would have gotten if I hadn’t. I can hear the masses now: “Donate to research” and rolling their eyes. I get it, except the research is on finasteride, not saw palm. Early on in my journey, I figured even if a treatment did eventually arise, it would be expensive, not given out for free as most think, and it would only be offered to those who used finasteride, not those who took saw, ssris, or accutane.

Muira puama and damiana taste very similar, except the former is woody tasting and the latter is leafy tasting. They must have similar active chemicals. Wild tribulus leaves and aparagus taste similar; they both contain protodioscin. But yeah, that asshole clerk did not ask other customers in line ahead of me “what’s it for” or say “you have to tell me first”. If she wound up suffering from this or a similar disease, I would not feel bad for her. I wonder if she would have asked “what for” if I was looking for horny goat weed. She is ugly inside and outside. Once upon a time, I ordered horny goat weed along with groceries online through a delivery service, and the young pretty lady delivering did not comment. I felt so embarrassed and pathetic. I wonder what she thought. Even though I have won against the disease and can live a normal life, I still feel the sting of shame when recounting these embarrassing experiences. I guess that is 1 thing I have not recovered from at all.

I know of someone who ate an angel trumpet flower, passed out behind a dumspter, spent a few days in the hospital, and recovered as if nothing ever happened. She even talks about doing it again from time to time. You and I would not say that about saw. I also know of someone who had renal and liver failure after a toxic mushroom, was put on a transplant waiting list, and recovered as if nothing ever happened. Funny thing is he won’t even eat mushrooms from stores or restaurants now. Really, what this palm tree did to you and I are horrors that not even movie or cartoons writers could think up. “Fact is stranger than fiction”, as the saying goes.

What about fish liver? I enjoy canned cod liver; cannot find it fresh. I prefer a specific brand because it has more pieces and less oil than other brands. I prefer almond, pistachio, walnut, hazelnut, and cashew butter over peanut butter, taste-wise. Macadamia is my fave. Peanut is the cheapest though. I know people have allergic reactions to peanuts and die, but I firmly believe there is something demonic about saw palm. People can have allergic reactions to nearly anything, but how many plants are capable of what saw is? 100 years ago, fin, accu, etc did not exist, but saw palm existed long before native Americans. I imagine ancient people gave it to their prisoners and enemies. Speaking of, most nuts are seasonal and most fruits are seasonal. I believe there is something about seasonal eating. Variety, for 1 thing. I laugh at those who have say milk and cheerios for breakfast and then a grilled cheese for lunch is variety. It is the same thing. The cereal and bread are both made with wheat, and the milk and cheese is both dairy. They are basically eating the same thing.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1026/l-carnitine

I wonder if the reverse is true. Would valproic acid help carnitine toxicity? Valproic acid and valeric acid found in the valerian plant are structurally similar.

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I don’t even want to look at how much money I have dumped into this looking to simply get better is ridiculous. At this rate your right I’m not expecting one anymore considering there’s no money in curing anything. Everything in the beginning was a huge blur but I don’t think anything I tried earlier on was one. I remember trying stinging nettle thinking I had to push in the direction of immune suppression and it temporarily made some things better like the neuropathy and it gave me more clarity of mind, but I felt far worse emotionally and everything else got worse with it.My immune system the entire time though was definitely doing some really funky stuff and the immune system is also one of the most complex systems in the body so it’s never as simple as just suppress it or activate it. You could have things in it that are over active and things that are under active at the same time.

Yeah that’s what I meant, I often forget avocado is a fruit too which I have no issues with and been eating the entire time. I’m talking about sweet fruits.

I get it, I’ll just research on my own but I’m just fine with the propolis supplement I got right now. I hate giving all these companies money too for supplements, I wish I could just live without them but unfortunately I’m too sick to do so. If I stopped I wouldn’t be able to live at all, my body has just been too damaged and this saw palmetto disaster was what really sealed the deal though I do know that despite some speed bumps here and there I am recovering. Though before this I had mold toxicity from an old home and was born with a lot issues too undiagnosed. Got sick easily and frequently, never ending digestive problems, horrible frequent viral infections, food sensitivities, ect-. It all as I got older just got worse and peaked in my mid 20’s with multiple chemical sensitivity and a ton of neurological issues. I’m just a mess and largely focus on quality of life. Don’t even get me started on supplement labels, ordering anything is like walking through a minefield. It’s especially infuriating when you KNOW it can do without a lot of those ingredients as fillers for something just as neutral no one will react to and like you said some things they don’t need to list at all. Another giant pet peeve of mine is not about additive/fillers though but when one looks clean enough BUT you read the label and it has some completely random herbal BS no one asked for in it that isn’t listed on the front of the bottle. How is that even legal? I can’t say I ever tried fenugreek on its own but I don’t have a reason to and don’t even know how you’d cook with it. I used to love Indian food before this but I just can’t risk it right now, maybe in a couple years I’ll try again way out but for now I’m staying away.

there is so many ways to hair loss and little hair regrowth, such is aging I guess. At this pint I don’t even care anymore and would prefer to be completely bald but the curse of that is that keeping my head completely bald actually takes a lot of work itself because of how fast hair starts to grow up there and create that dark covering showing the dreaded rolled back hairline (probably my biggest insecurity looks wise, it makes my forehead look freaking massive ewwww). On the funny doctor dialog that represents how it goes for most people well because lets be honest no one’s health issues are so simple that they’ve ever been resolved in one go. So many symptoms from so many things over lap and even the “healthy one’s” easily go down the med and psychological gaslighting rabbit hole. Some people even take the bait and get on SSRI’s for example flung around like candy, get horrible side effects mentally and physically they don’t connect the dots between and it just continues. It’s just complete absurdity and it’s all done because it turns single people into muli thousand dollar cash cows a piece.

I wish I could get all of those done but I also don’t have infinite money and like I said I am just blowing money from my savings left and right finding out what is going on with what in my body with everything I try. Luckily things are starting to calm down and there isn’t much out there for me to buy I have a burning desire to give a shot. Recently things have been hit or miss with the money blowing but I’ve made some good progress so I’m satisfied despite the speed bumps. That too, a complete cure for something might be very difficult to get because it’s probably going to be extremely costly and you bet they’re gonna make you jump through a million hoops to get it. I’m just not counting on it, the whole “waiting for soemone to save me” thing in life has never worked out wherever I try to apply it. In fact every time I let people take my fate into their hands I’ve gotten into even worse trouble in life.

I work in retail myself so I know how to treat people, like I would myself in a store. I don’t care what anyone is buying, I’m not even thinking anything most of the time. Sometimes if someone is buying lube or condoms I’ll have a little internal “looks like someone’s having a little fun later” joke to myself but I don’t tell them anything. I ring it up, tell them to have a nice day, and we all move on with our lives. From most of our perspectives she probably didn’t think a thing of it it besides a passing “hmm interesting” comment in her head. That’s it, normal mentally healthy people just don’t care to be so petty. I’m still recovering from that now, Granted trauma from adult life is easier than childhood because your brain was already fully aware and had a lot more solidified pathways before it happened but this has left a horrible mark on my psyche. Right now I’m in between trialing some last supplements, bouncing back, getting on a solid cycle with a slightly improved stack for myself, and getting back into everything else in my life I completely dropped because this was all I could focus on. My life has literally been nothing for months on end of work and suffering at home living like a 90 year old. Every day I’m working through a harder day whether it be from a wave of symptoms or a not so great reaction to a new supplement I tried I always catch myself just playing slots online all day, only thinking about what is for dinner otherwise after forcing myself out to the grocery looking and feeling like a randomized sims character who’s never seen human society in a hundred years, and then being like “Oh so this is why really old people are like that”. lol It’s probably gonna be another couple of months before I’m feeling more human and integrated in everything again.

I couldn’t even imagine this experience myself, it’s just too weird. An alien disease that turns your genitals into a tiny nonfunctional stump, deletes your sexuality, deletes your emotions besides a sense of vague constant terror that you are forced to experience 24/7, removes all skin sensation, removes your ability to feel all drugs, wastes away your body till you are a skeleton, and causes either hypersomnia or insomnia. If someone before this told me that this is what they are going through I wouldn’t know what to say to them because my brain wouldn’t be able to wrap itself around how all that can even be possible.

I’ve never had fish liver before but I’d be willing to try, I can’t say I’ve ever even seen it around before. PEanuts are just the cheapest, I like other nut butters to but the price of nuts are off the charts these days. Everytime I need to restock even Aldi’s now shocks me at the register. To think that grocery prices can only get worse too, it’s not looking good. There has to be and now I feel like going down some internet rabbit hole on the topic.

I’m recovering just fine from it, I’ve bounced back well so no need to worry about it or try more there.


On what i tried today things also didn’t go great but it wasn’t a disaster like carnitine. coq10 just gave me a wired uncomfortable feeling with more head tension, mood isn’t all there but I’ll make it. No effect on anything sexuality related at all. Just a strange reaction, stuff isn’t for me. Moving on. Luckily I have a few days off ahead to just relax and let it all out of my system. Took some activated charcoal before to help the process out a bit and just gonna sit back and lay low today and tomorrow.

I am keeping the black garlic every morning, the allicin supplement itself was a bit much for me and made me feel pretty speedy and more mentally unstable. Could have been just too high of a dose but with black garlic doing the job well enough there’s no reason for me to take the allicin supplement. I’ll keep it on hand though.

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Update post trying that dose of coq10 a couple mornings ago, the negative sidde effects are dying down, still feel kind of blah and a bit depressed today but the good news is I think this brought my reactive libido back fully because it is currently completely normal now in that department, I’ll see over the course of the next few days if this fades as more of the last dose of coq10 leaves my system (pretty long half life at 30+ hours). Only other thing I have been doing is continuing to eat a small amount of raw black garlic paste every morning and I have eaten a lot more seafood than normally in the past week cause I went out a couple times and had some plus making it once myself, don’t know if the nutrients from eating a lot of that played a role in kick starting something at the time of taking the black garlic and dose of coq10 there. Like I said I’ll just monitor myself over the next few days and see how things roll out from here. I’m also probably going to be dinner fasting for a couple days too because speaking of food I have had way too much of it in the past few days.

edit - I’m going to give irish sea moss capsules a go in the near future. Dug around multiple forums, read reviews, dug through reddit. Negatives seem to be few and far between. Most people appear to get increased energy, rest, and concentration. Some said it benefitted their immune system. One person in the reviews said it made them depressed but stopped when they stopped taking it. Some women in a topic on reddit said it made their periods heavier whatever that implies about its mechanisms. Seems pretty low risk and something there is no data in this area on, I’ll be the lab rat.

edit 5/13 - The negative side effects from the coq10 wore off a lot more over night, not completely yet but on my way out. Woke up much more horny today and sexually responsive. I had a couple orgasms before and they were extremely pleasurable and normal. My system feels a lot more sensitive and reactive to things in general now. Only negative is that as I made more progress with whatever this did my POIS has also returned and my libido stays higher even after a couple orgasms. Luckily I have today and tomorrow off to relax here and ride more of this out. There could not have been a worse time for my system to get this sensitive again though because I already have skin sensitivity issues and related neurological dysfunction when I can’t process skin sensation consistently/comfortably and the sun is warm but breeze is chilling outside. I hate this in between period between Summer and Spring and how it drags on forever where I live. Went for a walk anyways today thinking it would be good for me and the only thing it did on top of the POIS induced neurological dysfunction is make my nervous system feel like it was doing the electric eel. I gotta take it easy for a while now but I have major cabin fever, not good for me mentally.

Feel a bit off still today but better than yesterday, also noticed since my coq10 reaction I had a real nasty taste in the back of my throat with extra nasal drip that is easing up to whatever that means. I don’t even know how to describe it besides musty, infection-y, and gross. A little head/eye pressure on and off, nothing as severe as it was. Sexual reactivity has stayed where it was though. I got the Irish Sea Moss supplement in (the one from Doublewood) and to my surprise it has made life a lot more bearable today, a little more energy and some extra sensory clarity. This is probably one of the best things I’ve added to my stack in a while so far, it definitely works well on some kind of inflammatory process going on in me. So far no side effects I’ve noticed.

As much money as I have burned, I have also saved a lot of money too, having harvested vast amounts of plants for free. Another way to save is writing and calling companies. There is no shortage of valid complaints to voice. They often send me coupons or replacements. Another way is scavenging, what is called “dumpster diving”. Since you mention it, I salvaged hundreds of dollars worth of peanut and almond butter from a local Aldis, unopened. I do not care if there is a dent in the jar or it is out of date. I disregard the dates; they do not want you stocking up when it is on sale and not buying anymore for awhile; they want you to throw it out and buy more. A dent or torn label does not impact the quality.

Glad you mentioned the delicate immune balance aspect. An under-active immune system opens you up to infection and/or cancer. An overactive immune system opens you up to autoimmunity and/or allergies. In a sense, autoimmunity and cancer are polar opposites. The former is when the immune system attacks healthy cells while the latter is when the immune system allows corrupted cells to replicate. Having 1 extreme imbalance does not protect you against the other. You can have cancer in 1 part of the body and autoimmunity in another part.

There is so much here I agree with that I would just turn it into an echo chamber if I get started. Just know I’m with you all the way. Not to imply there is anything wrong with an echo chamber; there isn’t.

I think hair is one of the least precious parts. The body expends so many resources to growing hair when it could go to organs and bones instead. Not to say hair is worthless, but the body sure has odd priorities if you ask me.

A walk-in clinic wanted to test testosterone in 2014, except I never went back. He wanted to “discover the source of anxiety”. I was thinking, fool, I have a large growth, later found out it was a varicocele. Most people would be somewhat anxious. He wanted to give me an ssri, thus I never returned, because I knew of the dangers. The anxiety cleared once I found out it was not cancer or worse. It was almost magical, let me tell you. He had 2 claims filed against him for touching female patients inappropriately. He was also arrested for domestic violence against his wife. Never would have went to him had I known all that. I also unknowingly went to a dentist who killed a patient of hers via an overdose. Not only did the victim have more sedative in his system than she was licensed to possess, local law dictates vitals must be monitored every 5 minutes after a sedative is administered, and she did not do that. In my local region, malpractice is public record. I wish I knew that before selecting medical providers. Both of them should be disbarred from practicing. Countless drugs and supplements should likewise be banned, but “ethics”.

Funny, I never needed lube. I used a condom only 1 time and swore I would never do it again.

I might lose my job along with everyone else on the roster. A big event is on the horizon. If all goes well, we stay; if not, we’ll be on our way. Time shall tell.

Talk more later. I’m tired, a side effect of working too much.

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Well I been saving too, haven’t been burning all of it but it’s been slower. As long as the numbers are at least going up I’m happy. I’ve never thought of doing that before to get free coupons or whatever they can offer me, if it’s just a general coupon for their brand then I’m sure I can find something I already take by them. Do they give you discounts on all the dented and out of date containers? I’ll take them too but I never heard of anyone taking stuff like that off their hands, do you just ask a manager? If it’s dry food it almost never goes bad and if there’s no mold on it then whatever. I make my own peanut butter from just unsalted peanuts.

Really I didn’t know that cancer and autoimmunity can’t coexist in the body at the same time. I have so many sensitivities environmentally that I can really only do a lot of avoiding to keep my immune system under control. For me under active appears to feel even worse especially post crash. Everything that generally calms it down has produced the worst crashes for me, quercetin which helped me a bit before all of this with other issues can ruin me now.

I luckily haven’t or don’t think I ever went to any doctors that were like that but it utterly amazing that those people actually get and keep jobs meanwhile I’m trying to get off my sinking ship currently but getting 0 call backs at all. Really shows that connections and social manipulation are what actually gets you a job these days. I just instinctively knew psyche meds were a bad idea but I knew the source of my life long mental issues besides just trauma were biological. Just increasing serotonin isn’t gonna do anything for me. I grew up very dysfunctional with symptoms of severe autism and schizophrenia which I much later in life got slapped with a diagnosis for schizoaffective but I knew this wasn’t just a part of an organ brain disorder entirely. I knew because I have had moments of clarity before, moments of being almost neurotypical and in those magica;l times it’s like some autoimmune inflammatory response runs out of steam temporarily and my brain just works rather normally and I have no issues socializing, no more vocal problems, and no more general anxiety, or crippling self awareness of my own body. I still can’t entirely pinpoint what triggers these random magical days of full functionality, I can only seem to find what makes everything worse to get to a better baseline.

Same with my job, the place appears on the surface to be doing ok but the company itself is really sinking, our place survived more recent cuts and right now we’re generally just hoping we’re going to be one of the places that is on the chopping block last since eventually we’re all going under. It’s scary because it feels like no one wants my labor, I’ve applied to everywhere and got one interview that went nowhere and a single virtual interview from Target (you know I’m getting desperate when I apply here) that I requested accommodation for an in person interview at because I can’t mentally handle that dystopian Hirevue nonsense but got denied. Now it seems a lot of places are doing this Hirevue thing and I don’t know what to do, I can’t even get in contact with a real person these days. When a place gives me a chance they tend to keep me because I do a great job but I just can’t get my foot in the door at all anymore it seems. I’d hate to be cornered into going for disability because I know I can work even though I have limitations. I haven’t had to look for another job since around 2016 so I had no idea how bad the job market and conditions in it were these days, I got quite the culture shock recently alright. It could also be that I’m still at my current one and they want a total open schedule with an employee which is netting me less responses too so I mind as well just stay where I am till the ship sinks and then start applying again as I know at least by that point all my current applications will have expired.

The Irish Sea Moss supplement is still going well for me so far, so I’m going to keep this in the stack for a while and hope nothing goes south with it. I’m also considering trying Muira Puama low dose (the solaray brand is only 300 mg), I also looked into Catuaba the other day but it appears to have dopamine and some kinda of serotonin reuptake inhibition properties and that’s something I don’t really want to mess with. There’s also been reports online of consistent use of it no longer working after a while too and I don’t want to try anything with an increased risk for sensitization either with the dopamine/serotonin systems. I haven’t stumbled across that happening with Muira Puama and the reports of it making people run down feeling were all over 400 mg doses so I think that is my next best bet. I think for now I’m going to stay where I am with this stack though and see how things play out from here.

–Best Buy closed almost 20 locations across the US
–CVS is in the process of closing up to 900 locations
–Foot Locker is planning to shut 400 stores
–Family Dollar plans to close 600 stores
–Red Lobster closing 100 units
–Applebee’s closing 50 units

It’s everywhere, @Taw and @Dysfunkion. Because the economy is booming, you know! (This is just a small sample of planned closings!)
I hope you both escape these cuts! Jim

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I actually just got back from work, holding on for dear life and trying to keep the faith. I have savings to float on for a while as I apply everywhere again if the current one goes under (I have to let my previous failed applications expire first to resend, it’s all I have left to do because I have literally ran out of places to apply) which I imagine might happen if we don’t make it at end of this year. Dealing with that while dealing with this has been nothing short of hellish. On gray days like this the threatening uncertainty of the situation really drags you under, the air at my workplace is really tense and everyone is miserable.

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Hi Dysfunkion, thanks for the extraordinarily detailed post, was a good read.
Happy you’ve seen some mega improvements, lots of people with skin numbness / lack of sensation mention ALA as an option, although less K2.
I might PM you if I decide to supplement for this as it seems to be a rare symptom.

Has your head inflammation gone? Whenever I turn my head it feels like my neck is holding up my head on water, I can hear the fluid as the neck turns. It’s not necessarily pressure or pain just feels completely inflamed and dysfunctional.
I have the popping ear inflammation so its definitely messed up there.

I think when I said “dumpster diving, scavenging, and salvaging”, it went over your head. To be blunt, I would go behind the stores, climb in the dumpster, and sort the goods from the refuse, and take the goodies out of the dumpster as I climb out. I doubt a manager would green-light it because “liability, ethics, it looks bad, customers see it, it is a business to make money” blah, blah, yadda, yadda. If anything, asking them is more likely to make them sabotage the goods before throwing them away. I can picture them being afraid of fraudulent returns. I’m sure some of the dented and expired items go to food banks and other charities so they can get a tax write-off, but a good portion goes to the garbage. I only have experience with regular dumpsters, not the mechanical compacter sorts. Steer clear of the latter. And when I say call or write the companies, I mean the manufacturers, farms, factories, etc who actually make the products, not the stores. Don’t explicitly ask for coupons outright. PS: I found covid tests and blood pressure devices yesterday from a pharmacy I will not name. You work in retail, so I’m sure you know a lot of good items get thrown out. I could picture them firing you for helping yourself to the bounties though.

You can have both cancer and autoimmunity, just not the same site. Kind of hard for cancer cells or even healthy cells to function where there is constant immune attacks. Also kind of hard for the immune system to attack healthy cells by mistake where it is letting corrupted cells grow unchecked. Surprise surprise, the immune system is supposed to attack cancer cells, not healthy cells. Autoimmunity and cancer are colossal failures of the opposite extremes.

It was a tad funny but not funny how after I landed this job, a number of the others places I applied to started contacting me to see if I was “still interested”. I did not know whether I should stay put or cross over. I wrestle with that choice now. Will not confirm nor deny whether my workplace is on the list Wildman posted or not, but we passed the health department inspection. Not sure how much I am allowed to disclose, but there was a recent event and there will be another within weeks to a month or two, and the corporation will decide whether we are “worthy” to stay or not. I’d hate to apply and get hired somewhere worse, especially if this job will endure and the new one go under. It is easier to get a new job when you already have a job than when you don’t; employers look favorably upon the former and down on the latter. I shrug!

Irish moss has mucilage, as does marshmallow, licorice, slippery elm, asparagus, okra, aloe. Solaray is overpriced with 300 milligrams of muira puama for 12 dollars is major puny. I can get a pound of bulk powder for less than 10 dollars elsewhere. You can make hundreds of capsules for fractions of the cost. I averaged about 30 grams of muira puama, not milligrams. People wonder why they don’t feel anything. Take enough of something, you will feel something. It could be good, bad, both, or neutral, and may or may not be what you want or expect, but you will feel something. Obviously, it will cost more money as you run out sooner. Long before this, I consumed an entire spice bottle full of parsley and could not stop urinating buckets every 5 minutes for several hours. Nutmeg can give you a hallucinogenic buzz if you eat the entire jar. You would be surprised. In some cases, the dose response curve is flat, such as 500 micrograms of dutasteride and 5 milligrams. The FDA does not regulate herbs, so we have no idea what is a high or low dose, the likes of which likely varies person to person. I suspect most herbs are deliberately under-dosed to protect companies from liability. I believe slippery elm reversed my post clindamycin syndrome on its own. I believe catching it and acting early is 1 of the cornerstones. Of course, I was taking 56 grams of slippery elm divided twice a day, not those measly 500 milligram capsules - big difference. A big con with capsules is you can’t taste the herb. Tasting it activates part of the response; digestion begins in the mouth, not the stomach. I open capsules and pour them out, and I chew up tablets.

I start my morning with a GABA antagonist and end my evening with a GABA agonist.

GABA agonists: Alcohol, Allopregnanolone, Ashwagandha, Benzos, GHB (Gamma-Hydroxy-Butyrate), Hops, Kava, Magnolia, most ketone bodies, Passionflower, Valerian, and Valproate/Valproic acid.

GABA antagonists: Ciprofloxacin, Ginkgo Biloba, Juniper, Kudzu, Muira Puama, Sage, and Wormwood. Interestingly, Kudzu has reviews all over Google for helping alcohol addicts quit drinking. Thujone is the active chemical in Juniper, Sage, and Wormwood. I find that surprising because thujone is a ketone, and ketones are usually GABA agonists. PS: Wormwood is as bitter as tongkat.

Valeric acid, found in Valerian, has a similar chemical structure to Valproate/Valproic acid, the active ingredient in depakote. Observe:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aleksei-Rakitin/publication/318162464/figure/fig1/AS:613877502971904@1523371210004/Structure-of-valproic-valeric-and-g-aminobutyric-acid.png

The latter is probably just a lab-modified version of the former. I have used Valerian, but I never used Valproate/Valproic acid.

@Taw @Dysfunkion

Personal experience:
My wife has lung cancer. When found, It was far enough along that surgery and radiation were not options. The Dr discussed both chemo and immunotherapy options, and recommended the immunotherapy.

The immunotherapy drug she takes is Opdivo, every 4 weeks in an IV. The drug prompts the body’s own immune system to fight the cancer.

Result? The cancerous nodes in her lungs have shrunken to near-nothing…but are not gone. Drs say if she quits the meds, the cancer could (and probably would) regrow. It has been 4 years now and as I say, “if you didn’t know she was sick, you wouldn’t guess she was sick.”

Only regret? The initial dosage was a combo of Opdivo and Yervoy, and in its 3 months of use, her adrenal, thyroid and pituitary glands were damaged. The pituitary doubled in size and eventually returned to near normal. Her thyroid went into hypothyroidism and she now must take levothyroxine. Her adrenal damage is requiring daily steroids. Both glands were normal before immunotherapy. But, she’s still with me and feeling good! Thank God!

I have a nephew who started doing this sporadically. In winter, he brought home a motherlode of ice cream and frozen foods, not expired yet, kept frozen by our frigid temps. Last week he had a big bag of allergy and other OTC meds not yet expired. His loot is mainly from dollar store dumpsters, I believe. He shares his “loot” with friends and relatives. Jim

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Just a little update on how I’m doing here, I’ll respond to Taw up there tomorrow at some point, I just don’t have the energy to right now. The sea moss ended up making me depressed and starting giving me dizzy spells and the raw garlic bit me in the ass with digestive problems and started giving meneurological problems as a result. I guess allicin was making something in my guts release some nasty toxins because at first it gave me more clarity and was fine but eventually started giving brain fog, high anxiety, and started overall slowing me down. I was able to beat it back with cistus and surprisingly applce cider vinegar I held in my mouth for a while that eased the swelling in my neck area that came up as a result of the allicin gut disaster. So I think since holding some apple cider vinegar under my tongue for a bit works so well for controlling something infection based that reaches my head from my guts I’m just going to keep at that daily.

I also had some other very interesting reactions lately and it has to do with the krebs cycle and the electron transport chain. I believe I found one of my central problems but I don’t specifically know what is going on.

I one day decided to give tyrosine a go and had a very weird reaction to it. Tyrosin is part of the dopamine cycle and by adding it I was skipping a step. I immediately got very tired but I noticed I would get weird muted bursts of pleasure and music sounded a lot better, I was also a lot more social but at the time the crushing fatigue I got from it was overshadowing that to a large degree. This as the hours went on later turned into complete mania but here is the weird part. There was no physically overstimulating energy, it was strictly mental. My thoughts were moving very quickly and I was able to connect information so well and have such deep thoughts yet it wasn’t physically stimulating and I was physically very tired despite how ironically light I felt. there was so much contradicting information going on that I didn’t know what to make of it until the next days when I tried something else.

So I decided since I was looking up peoples adverse reactions to vitamin D at the time some people had relief energy wise with Magnesium Citrate. I’ve never tried that form though and it’s the main form used in high doses as a laxative. I decided to give it a try at 120 mg and it was like almost instantly I felt an energy sensory clarity and motor functioning wise I haven’t in forever, I had that speed back to everything, everything felt so light and I was so reactive physically to all sensations at a baseline. It was what was missing from the tyrosine reaction! Though I also had a crappy immune reaction to it and couldn’t continue though I am going to try raw citric acid low dose and see what happens. I heard some is actually sourced from mold and I am mold sensitive so that could also be why I reacted badly, I need to find a brand that isn’t sourced from black mold. I can’t be sure if this will work out for me and I’m not banking on it because of my immune issues but I’ll give it a try. I was going to try lemon juice but I react badly to fruit and though I know in lemons the specific fruit sugar levels are low but it might still cause issues from a natural source like that directly.

Now citrate is a crucial component of the krebs cycle which got me looking at it and it clicked that what is largely going wrong with me is that something is messing with this cycle and SP along with other factors at the time completely crashed it. You can have all the nuerotransmitters and hormones in the world but if this engine isn’t cycling energy properly then nothing works like it should. I was already taking magnesium malate since way back it was the best form for me but I looked it up and some people had issues with it making them more sluggish and someone else said it worked at first and then didn’t at some point. I decided to next try citruline malate which would be a combination of 2 krebs cycle factors. The results were interesting, I got very drowsy and anhedonic that luckily started passing over later. Killed my reactivity to things a bit but nothing terrible otherwise happened and I was still able to get aroused though it got a bit slower. Then I read that certain abundances of these factors can also cause issues so I decided today to stop taking the magnesium malate and what do you know I’m clearer headed today and calmer in a good way. My sensation and all is just fine and I need to regain some physical reactivity but everything is intact and feels better without it now. I have also been able to get stronger erections now and feel more pleasure when it does get firing. There is clearly something wonky going on in my mitochrondria that is acting like an energy ceiling though specifically I don’t know what. I suppose once I try sitrate again I might have more answers and I’m currently brainstorming more ideas here to target what is going on here. Many different nutrients also feed into it and it’s extremely complex though it seems to explain a lot going on. Since what I did my nocturnal and morning erections have been much stronger, definitely feeling more lust now under whatever I did here.

Any manager I know would at least frown on it, I don’t see any dumpster divers or can collectors here. I used to be one of them myself and over time the money made really adds up from it. A lot of what goes in that garbage is fresh expired food that is almost always still good and broken items. Occasionally you might something working just fine in there that got thrown own cause we couldn’t figure out how to get it to work that someone returned. I always avoided going into the trash at anywhere I worked at because I don’t wanna take that chance or burn any bridges. Wasn’t an issue with me though there was plenty of other places. Around here no one really cared but I have gotten public harassment anyways and it was less common but sometimes people would call a fake police report on me and try to get me arrested for something else and every time officers were more than happy to try to find the thing to arrest me for that didn’t exist. Got really fed up with it after a while because when anything happened to me there would be no help.

Oh that’s what you meant. In my case I really don’t know what to think. My body’s regulation of it all is completely messed up. I don’t really get sick anymore but I always feel like I’m having a very low grade immune reaction to something to keep under control. Ar the same thing though most things that would make my immune system shut up now are very crashy. For me Cistus tea has been like a immune reset button for me that doesn’t really do that even though it makes me a bit drowsy so I drink it later in the evening when I have it. I have also had toxic mold issues before and I wish I could just start completely fresh in a new place all new items in my life altogether but that’s just not realistic.

That is actually how I got my current job, it was dumb luck out of the blue. I hadn’t applied to anywhere in over a year. One morning I got a call and took it, didn’t look back, and I got it. I was hired on the spot, they just needed fresh bodies and I was the person qualified enough to do it. I even looked like a trainwreck during the interview. I don’t do well with interviews or looking attractive to employers in them anyways because of my mental disorganization and how I have trouble recalling things from memory with those “So tell me about a time when you…” questions. I can still get through it just fine but it’s just awkward at times and I’m pretty sure that’s why despite my experience it’s harder to get my foot in the door these days that is if I get an interview at all anymore. I had 1 recently, radio silence on literally everything else. On applying somewhere and jumping ship into a worse situation is something I also have nightmares about weekly, it’s part of why I think I’m just going to stay on my sinking ship until it does sink and then start applying again. Employers on applications also want to see full time availability from the beginning so that may also be why I’m not getting any call backs, they want all of you IMMEDIATELY or not at all. marshmallow root gave an allergic like reaction, it somehow broke through the fatigue a bit earlier on but it irritated my throat and everything., can’t recall slippery elm doing anything for me besides making me a bit more tired and tasting/feeling gross going down, but I haven’t tried licorice tea because there’s been really mixed reports on it. I don’t think I have a reason right now anyways where I am to try any real androgenic plants anymore besides eating asparagus fairly often. In a way I’m comfortable with under dosing at first because I’m very sensitive to whatever I put in my system, I suspect I have severe leaky gut because I feel everything that is going to do anything within the first 15 or so minutes of ingesting it. Never thought about the role on how actually tasting the herb plays a role in the body’s response to it and now I actually want to play around with that because I’m curious. I’ve actually has wormwood before and I agree it’s gross, it made me feel a bit wired and my digestive system felt kind of funky on it. Though I had it a while back for Lyme and it didn’t seem to do much there. Cistus and osha root was the most helpful in that department. I never like the way valerian made me feel even though it was good at killing anxiety, puts me in a very foggy tired state of mind that feels kind of twilight zone-ish where I also don’t seem to sleep better or worse with.

I stopped the magnesium for a day and after raw citric acid giving me only a headache and weird immune reaction I tried magnesium citrate again and interestingly I’m not getting the same negative response anymore, got more energy, and felt more connected to myself/the world in general, and in control. So I guess it was just a start up reaction. I’ve started drinking green tea every day too as I can handle it without crashing and it makes me feel better too, may have an extra capsule of propolis in the evening instead of just the morning.

Ok so interesting updates here. Lately I haven’t been on my usual magnesium for a while, without it I tend to feel better now. Magnesium citrate only gave a boost a first but then dropped off and I felt worse with it so I dropped it. I was doing alright otherwise with erections and sensory clarity but my energy levels overall were terrible.

I really wanted to get to the bottom of the “vitamin” D mystery so I decided to try again but at 5000 iu of the vegan version derived from lichen. My overall energy and stamina physically went up but just a single dose kills my dick and increased my tinnitus a bit. I am already taking K2 as that’s one of the first things that helped me and so I’ll continue to take that. My body’s reactivity is completely fine as I just tested (in fact with D3 it’s better than ever) but sexual reactivty tanks. I am so fed up with dealing with the dysfunctional body! Nothing works right with it, I fix one thing and another just breaks! So in a nutshell I found my initial reaction to D3 that was terrible was because I can’t tolerate the non-vegan form but the vegan form rescues just about everything else but tanks the libido/erectile ability. Maybe if I keep going with it it’ll level out? There has been one report where that was the case but otherwise it’s hard to find information on these D centric issues that go in this direction because a lot of internet flat out refuses to believe this can happen. I guess my safest bet is to stop here and see how long it takes for libido/erectile ability to return. Or I could keep going to see if something levels out over the next couple months but that is more risky though I won’t know if I don’t take one for the team and try so there’s some sort of record of someone in my specific situation trying that.

So my remaining issues seem to be in the D3, K2, hormonal regulation, krebs cycle, and mitochondria bubble but I’m stumped as to what could be going on here. Increasing dopamine doesn’t do anything. Increasing methyl-b12 helps temporarily but then some sensitization mechanism occurs but I feel better with 2000 mcg methyl-b12 than 1000 mcg. methyl-folate and all other B vitamins individually make me more tired. Carntitine and coq10 also make me extremely tired and coq10 makes me feel like I live in the twilight zone for days on end. Choline makes me severely depressed. Vegan D3 turns everything back on but destroys libido/erectile ability and causes more ear ringing. Normal D3 kills me with lethargy and exhaustion at the same dose (5000 iu). D3 in any form though doesn’t cause shrinkage, it essentially just deactivates dick and largely libido (can still feel it slightly but like I said something largely turns off). K2 helps in general but nothing entirely specific at 100 mcg currently. So now I have some web of things that indicate something weird going on but I don’t know what.

edit - Update from later today here. So like the D3 that actually worked went from making me more energetic, to making me feel too wired, to making me have severe anxiety (I had to go to the store later, the anxiety and paranoia was ridiculous), to currently just very tired, and the opposite of before. That’s interesting. Like I said no shrinkage or anything, just thing wouldn’t really stand up. I could sexually respond to things but it’s like not enough brain juice was going to it. More high strangeness from this condition. Looks like all there is left to do now is wait this out and see how long it takes to bounce back. Wasn’t a crash though, just like an isolated symptom problem with a lot of instability.

edit - update from the next morning here, erections have come back and today I’m able to feel desire a bit better and perpetuate the sexual thought feedback loop a bit better. I also dug around more online and found a report where someone who was getting the same issues with D3 even the vegan version from lichen had more success with lower dose vegan D2 which I’m going to try. It appears what happened there was likely a neuroimmune reaction because I thought about T and E level but those could not possibly have been pushed too high or low that quickly from a single dose of D3. Same goes for altering stored levels of it. I’ve also thought about this affecting magnesium, calcium, zinc, copper, ect- but this reaction began in the first 15 minutes, it would have been impossible for these levels to have sharply been altered so much issues were caused. Why would I today after that in some ways feel better but still be kind of messed up in others? I’ll know more when I try the vegan D2 (1000 iu now brand veggie caps dry contents instead of an oil carrier). I know now in general where these residual problems are at least now, not specifically but it’s somewhere in this neuro-immune/energy metabolism connection loop.

edit 5/30 - Sunday the D2 should come in. Today overall I was more sensitive than I ever been though but my anxiety levels were also extreme. I tried 100 mg of magnesium malate to see if this was magnesium related in some way anyways but it only perpetuated the quieting of the immune reaction that started from the D3 with the burning face/head but I also found that this is separate from the skin numbness since I had more sensitivity and reactivity to stimuli than I ever have during this whole thing. Usually this flares like usual with me and many others around 6:30 PM so this is a general immune loop the human body goes through daily but under immune reaction conditions mediators get carried all day and flare with it until they taper off. At least I found a hidden perpetuation of it I didn’t know wasn’t helping me like magnesium malate and citrate. I don’t know if other forms will do this though. Cistus tea followed by activated charcoal after is able to tame it pretty well consistently so it’s something that can be mopped up. Luckily tomorrow I don’t need to work and hopefully by the next day a lot more of this crappy reaction will die down.

edit 6/1 - Now this is just bizarre. I just tried the D2 and it also gives me ED but makes me feel completely different than the other forms of both D3’s. This one make me less energized cognitively, makes me feel calm, with some weird body tension (kind of headachy, ache at bottom of spine), and for some reason gives me stingy eyes and slight puffy face feeling. What is going on here? But I can feel it’s not a total crash, everything appears to be still connected in there but modulated in a weird way. I tested my sensitivity all over and everything is fine technically. D3 vegan version after the initial reaction turned things on in a familiar way first, this instantly modulated some regulation of the system in a different way.

Ok here’s what I’m going to do, I have thursday and friday off so I’ll be clear to try the vegan D3 again and see if a spike dose of it at the 5000 iu point does the same thing as before. If it does I think I found what is primarily going wrong in our bodies but I don’t specifically know what. I’m starting to wonder if this is actually some kind of hormonal linked neuro-immune condition. Our bodies seem to get stuck in a loop and this loop can be altered in various ways, when one gets into a crash this loop down regulates everything so much that the body can’t even function anymore. This would also explain why everyone seems to have such wildly different reactions to supplements. At different times during this whole thing I also had very strange and different reactions to the same things. Like I remember the time I had to introduce k2 to be able to tolerate methyl-b12 again and then to tolerate my 2000 mcg baseline I again I had to start drinking coffee more to raise my tolerance to it and then I was able to integrate it and keep it there without my system freaking out. Like what does that even imply about this? I’m not even mad at this current reaction, now I’m just intrigued since my body is like a science experiment now and there’s no use in stopping till solve this. But if I’m correct here the vegan D3 might shock this loop again in a positive way if I’m correct and the reaction is the same next time I take it. I’m prepared to fight off the initial immune reaction though in the same way. Basically if it’s of any help how I did that it was with cycles of activated charcoal and cistus incanus tea. The cistus would help my immune system keep itself more stable through it and the activated charcoal would mop up the extra problematic mediators.

Update from later today erections are now back and very strong, I got some shrinkage from that form of “vitamin” D (D2) but this doesn’t occur with any dose level of D3. Sex drive and ability is intact and briefly appears to only dysfunction after a dose itself. I remember that Osha root before recovered my sensation and shrinkage before so this morning before I left for work I had part of a capsule. It calmed the jittery/shaky tension I had and made my mind more calm thankfully so I got through the day just fine. didn’t seem to immediately effect flacid length though. Balls are still retracted which also doesn’t seem to occur with any form of D3. Another note I want to make is that I lost the ability to shiver when this whole post-SP nonsense began but any form of D appears to bring it back and is so far the only thing that does. Any form also makes my brain feel more connected to itself and gives me familiar background cognitive energy.

I found vegan D3 drops thankfully so I should be able to try those tomorrow see if that works out for me. 5 drops is 1000 iu so each is 200 iu.

Edit 6/2 - I can just handle 200 iu of lichen derived D3 so I’m going to increase my dose by 200 iu every week till I hit 1000 iu and take things from there.Feeling migrain-y overall but with shifts like this I expect that happen. If I play it safe I think I’ll avoid a real skull crusher but I’m expecting the worst and hoping for the best over the next weeks as I do this like usual.

Some of the employees love spotting dumpster divers. After all, it gives them a chance to let out their frustration with the job and unruly customers without getting in trouble for it. The scavengers are not customers, so their bosses, corporate even, won’t care. They can be as rude as they want without repercussion. Police tend to leave me alone once they find out I’m not homeless.

You say vitamin d hurts you sexually but helps in every other way while tongkat ali helps you sexually but hurts you in every other way. If only it were as simple as combining them to enhance each others benefits while cancelling out the negatives. In some cases, it is. Kratom is constipating while beet juice is a laxative; combined, they neutralize each other in my experience. Same with fo-ti, a damping herb, and xian mao, a drying herb. Ginger is warming and wintergreen is cooling. The latter contains a chemical similar to aspirin, both bad for the stomach; 1 acetylated (aspirin) and the other methylated (wintergreen). You and I learned the hard way natural can be harmful too. Hard to grasp for some of the drug users. There was this dutasteride fellow from Ecuador who used to chant “herbs are all placebo” in multiple posts. I wish saw palmetto was placebo, I wish, and I’m sure you do too. Anyway, ginger though is good for the stomach. I’m sure there is ancient wisdom in herb combinations that are becoming lost and forgotten to time, sadly. Anyway, I’ve taken up to 1 million iu, average 300,000 iu of vitamin D. At 100,000+, the response seems to flatten. Doctor Coimbra uses doses such as this to put autoimmune diseases in remission. Multiple sclerosis patients seem to benefit more than lupus, sjogrens, etc for whatever reason. Maybe it just seems that way as it is more popular with them, thus they report their stories more. Nothing works for everyone, just as cancer treatment does not work for everyone. Do not take that the wrong way. I think there is a unique set of things that will work for each individual person, but it has to be specifically tailored to the persons unique traits. Not all cancer and not all autoimmunity is the same. Disease comes in different flavors, and so will the treatments.

Licorice is easy to avoid side effects from. It causes potassium loss and sodium retention, meaning a low (0) sodium diet along with a high potassium diet protects me against side effects. It’s simple and magical! I feel awful on it if I consume a low potassium, high sodium diet. Research made this knowledge available. Somebody must see potential in licorice, as it is 1 of the most studied herbs in the world.

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I’m not trying tongkat again though that stuff made me feel terrible. A lot of people say ginger is pretty crashy but it doesn’t seem to do anything to me. Don’t even get me started on the placebbo trumpeting folks every time you have a bad reaction to everything. People will use that one every time you have a health problem they don’t understand. I’ve so far seem to have become sensitized to it.This morning after 400 iu barely did anything I decided to see what would happen if I tossed down 5000 iu of the vegan one now and the reaction I was getting has stopped. I’ll see how am I sexually over the next week, it’s too early to tell and I’m not the most horny person in the world currently. I’m not going over 5000 iu every other day, this is where I was at before a I stopped taking it a whole back (I probably should never have done that considering how weak my body is without it) because I don’t want a higher risk of toxicity. With it back in my stack though the facial burning has largely stopped, my immune system isn’t going nearly as haywire, my senses are much clearer, I have more energy, my motor functioning is better, and overall my brain feels more connected to itself. The usual 6:30 PM flares of the burning face crap are just about gone. Maybe I did have some autoimmune issue that was triggered or at least put into overdrive from SP? I really don’t know at this point. D3 seem to be reaction wise in people on the of weirdest supplements out, everyone’s body appears to play with it a somewhat different way and everyone seems to do better at different dose levels and frequency. Some get toxicity very easily and some take insane doses where it never happens, stuff is like pulling a slot machine and I love gambling so here I am.

Potassium in general made me feel a bit more stable a while back but I always got horrible digestive side effects from it that I couldn’t handle with all forms no matter how small the dose was. If I can’t supplement it then I’m probably just going to leave licorice alone. Right now I don’t want to add anymore factors into the mix to muddy the waters though.

Last night under supplemented D conditions I decided to add turmeric to my food and see what happens, actually ended up increasing my sex drive at the base and my mood. Overall being in state of full rather than largely fasted on D supplementation is a bit more drastic energy wise in how it feels. I’ll have more energy fasted and less with more in me. I still have a bit of a weird reaction to 5000 iu and some say they feel better with less frequent high iu doses of 10,000 iu so tomorrow I’m going to try 10,00 iu and see how that feels. My symptoms from lower appear to be anticholinergetic with the red eyes, dry mouth, ect. I can’t find anything atm but someone said higher doses avoid the choline increase from D3 which may be why some feel better on higher doses. Going higher might actually avoid that but we’ll see. It appears as sensitization occurs this lessens in effect though so it’s dependent on something that can change. I’ll just have to see where this goes. With this condition the D recptor appears to almost be like an intersection where when you modify the properties of changes everything in almost all systems in the body.

The nightly facial burnings have greatly lessened that begin around 6:30-7 PM which K2 initially was able to get under control enough to introduce methyl-b12 back with. Adding any krebs cycle cofactors like anything that generally increases energy appears to increase it. Since only D3 and K2 have been able to control it appears to be a neuro-immune fluctuation tied to my circadian rhythm.

Another odd thing I noticed yesterday was that I’m having more normal immune reactions to things now,yesterday a coworker sprayed some nasty air freshener next to me and to my surprise my reaction was familiarly strong. During the reaction I actually felt a little more energy for some reason. Having something with high histamine itself later didn’t so the same thing.

I should also add magnesium (if I do it will be a test with citrate first 120 mg) when supplementing like this but right now I need to find out how I feel on the 10,000 iu, probably ride out those few days, and take things from there. Currently as I type this I have more cognitive ability but feel sort of heavy headed, at random points this kinda resolves throughout the day. There may be some circadian pattern to look for but like other things this is new territory for me and I just don’t know. Also need to work again today too which from the months this started to now has been hell trying to pretend to be a normal functional human being for 4-6 hours. I swear I resolve one thing with this I just get other issues, beyond frustrated with this BS.

Another thing I’m going to do here since it seems so tied to my case is round the clock daily circadian rhythm mapping with how I feel and see if I can piece more together that way.

edit june 6th - This morning after 10,000 iu I have avoided more of the unpleasant side effects including the dry mouth completely and am taking 120 mg magnesium citrate with it. going to be taking what would equal 20,000 iu every week which is 1 day on, 3 days off. No shrinkage or erectile dysfunction from supplementing like this, the mag citrate under these conditions also gives me a boost. May see what happens at 240 mg soon but I’m going to keep this stable for now and let my body level out here.

So the next thing I’m going to be trying is wheatgrass, largely heard about this one in the CFS community where some said it really elped them with their energy levels throughout the day and even gut issues. I’ll be trying that tonight.

The next more interesting compound that some people have have also from the CFS community had great results with was something called D-Glucuronolactone that apparently used to be a more common ingredient in energy drinks. Many report more irritability the next day that is also relived from taking it again but thats about it. Honestly though I don’t really care about addiction to anything at this point as long as I have long standing gains from something that keep me more stable and functional. There isn’t much information on it besides what it’s metabolized to and some vague information on what its converted to does in the body. It’s also very cheap at 500 doses for a bag I paid 32 dollars plus shipping for.

It’s also getting extremely hot where I live and it’s really making more energy hard to come by especially since I barely have air conditioning in here. Essentially living in a sauna right now. I am just nearly sweating or sweating 24/7 right now and it’s not fun.

edit - wheatgrass has appeared to do just about nothing, but cant be bad for me so I’ll keep using it as maybe I’ll get some longer term benefits. Tomorrow will try the D-Glucuronolactone in my morning coffee (completely water soluble and I think it can stand the heat, it isn’t powdery and smells like some kind of sugar, dose is 1/4th teaspoon).

Another thing I’ve noticed since the extreme Summer heat has arrived that consistent heat make it harder to get the thing up and stay up unless extremely aroused. Also noticed that the summer heat also makes everything hang lower in the morning as opposed to cooler normal indoor temperatures trending towards more morning contraction of the penis and testicals. Later in the day no matter they also hang lower and it tends to be harder to get things going. I think blood pooling in my lower body and vasodilation from heat makes everything worse in the sexual department for me since everything else under extreme heat conditions doesn’t really change besides me also losing electrolytes faster from the consistent low grade sweating.

edit 6/25 - I had to stop the wheatgrass because I was starting to get allergic like reactions to it and dizzy spells. Largely better now but that’s out the window now too. Oh well it wasn’t doing too much for me anyways. The next thing I’m going to try is hesperidin 500 mg (the nootropics depot one), some people in the CFS community have done pretty well with it and it seems relatively inoffensive so I’ll give it a go.