did you try Airmidex or Nolvadex? some guys got improvements not recovery.
I tried tamoxifen for 2 weeks. Things were worse when on it and not much better when i stopped. Trying acetyl cartinine - 2g at the moment. Does anyone where you can get Adiol G tested in the UK?
buddy do you have blood reports before and after Nolvadex treatment. Going by feelings is very missleading. we need to know where are we going honmone wise on papers. Maybe your T level rose but you got other problems and that is why you did not feel better. Now some people claime using natrural herbs they r feeling better.On the other hand I think their body is recovering and they are just making it harder for the body to recover by using natural stuff. Sorry this is my personal opinion. I bought Tribulus twice and read so many stories of guys who got gyno from Tribulus. I saw their blood reports, Tribulus did not increase their T-level rather decreased LH and FSH and increased Estradiol way higher. Needless to say I throw my money in dust can.
When I used SPalmetto I was thinking I was becoming super man, I should have blood test during SP useage.
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Rather then going by his personal opinion, which, in my personal opinion, is horrible advice, youād be better served reseaching studies on the natural herbs so that you may see that they do in fact help a great deal. Myself and others are living proof of this. To say that itās spontaneous healing, is, well, ridiculous. Itās all about cause and effect. I can tell you with certainty that the herbs I am using have got me to the point iām at now. Maybe they will do the same for you.
reseaching studies? most of the studies r fake or non trust worthy. Show me any study on SP which tells us it causes human endocrine system breakdown. you will find tons of studies nothing but in praise of SP but we know now it does cause a big damage. Just google tribulus+Gynocomastia and you will see tons of young males who r suffering now from Gyno after using Tribulus. These herbs have no real long term studies behind them, we dont know what damage they will cause on our livers on the long run. If they are working for you, keep taking it. I remember on hairlosstalk.com a guy rediculed me on Saw Palmetto use by saying he has been using it for 10 years for nothing but benefits. what can I say for guys like him.
sorry no personal attack but I am bitten once so shy twice.
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True. But my reasoning is Iām pretty damaged already and most likely will stay damaged unless doing something drastic for and extended period of time (raw food diet) There are guuys on this site that have been shut down for 7-10 years with no improvement.
So, you can take the herbs, get some improvement and live the semblance of a normal life, or do nothing and suffer indefinitely. To me, itās a gamble Iām willing to take. The herbs are natural, not concentrated, and not made by pharmaceutical companies.
Youāre better off taking them then nolva or clomidā¦
To anyone considering going rawā¦
I just thought iād show this study that adiol-g is increased 60 percent with just a 5 day high-protein diet. This is considered similar to a ā3-day hCG stimulation test in healthy males.ā Lacto-vegetarian (similar to raw food, id assume) diet in both men in women, seems to reduce adiol-g.
Thatās the problem with assumptionsā¦
Just another reason to follow the Paleo diet. Iāve been doing it for many months now and have been having good results. Itās high in raw food and high in animal protein.
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the reason you were feeling like crap was because your estradial went through the roof. 20mg is a very heavy dose and will skyrocket your E2.
This kind of treatment takes time where you have to start off at a small dose and be patient. Getting repeat blood tests is important.
Few days back I got a PM from a post fin user. He told me that he used saw palmetto 320 mg for 3.5 years to recover from finās effects. Is not that ridiculous that he believes saw palmetto helped him? Guys wake up and be extra cautious when choose your remedies.
He says he recovered 80 - 90 % I am sure he would have recovered 100% without SPalmetto.
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I did try Stacker T (tribulus, maca) a while back and it helped in some ways and was bad in others. It improved the sexual side of things although caused more prostatic pain. It really was not good for my head though. Maybe due to an increased estrogen. I realise i should get more blood tests but it is such a hassle to get done - going through docs etcā¦ I know i still should. Iām going to send my blood off to the mayo clinic and get adiol-G measured. Then iāll take it from there. Iāve got a few months to concentrate on this now. Iāll be on here a lot more.
This thread has been incredibly helpful!
I disagree. Antibiotics kill bacteria. The human body contains literally thousands of strains of bacteria, both aerobic and ANAEROBIC. Many cannot be studied or even cultured because they canāt come out or live outside of the human body or even in different areas of the stomach/intestines. And some if they did escape their area would be deadly to other areas of the body. Ever see Three Kings with George Clooney? Itās got a pretty good description of bacteria escaping the gut into the rest of the body and what happens to you then. Itās not pleasant.
We have no comprehensive picture of what the chemical antibiotics do to our bodies nor even half the picture of the bacteria in our bodies so how could we know how they react? You canāt know something died if you didnāt realize it was there in the first place. Also, when antibiotics are taken it often leads to predominance of a specific strain of bacteria which would indicate the balance has been thrown off.
Some people get away with taking fin and stopping with no sides. Weāre already damaged from this. Just because one person was able to take a specific antibiotic and come out ok doesnāt mean everyone can.
Keep in mind bacteria constantly evolve. This is why penicillin isnāt used as much anymore, most bacteria has become immune to it. The last time I took antibiotics was about 10 years ago. I remember taking them and spending the next week shitting my brains out. This cannot be healthyā¦
By the way zinc makes me feel bad. Been on it for just over a week and everything has been worse. No zinc for me.
Zinc is a 5AR inhibitor.
Yesterday I took 2 pills of Blue up did a workout half an hour later and then took 2 more pills a couple of hours later. The package said only take 2 a day.
I felt weird all evening. My brain was on fire. It was on edge - so much so that i didnāt get any sleep - also partly due to the heartburn and upset stomach it caused. Take away the stomach upset and upset bowels and I felt oddly more alive. My brain was very active, my head felt lighter.
I canāt put my finger on it and donāt want to get my hopes up. I got spontaneous erections and a nice morning one.
However, as i got no sleep Iām now pretty knackered now. But not as much as i should be.
The stomach pain is pretty bad so I wonāt repeat today.
I also took one anti aromatase pill.
Its weird that Iām having a different reaction then when i took stacker T.
Are you doing the same protocal scaredinmd listed?
hmm probably the yoshimbie and the cafein in the product, keeping you awake, jittery, sick in your stomach
perhaps you should use the stim free version
No not scaredmds. Iām testing the waters.
Could be the caffeine but it felt different to when iām have had a few red bulls. Also there was a trace of something i havenāt felt since pre fin.
Have to say on a negative side today my penis is far more withdrawn. Iām guessing as my body tries to ānormaliseā itself.
I will try it again soon but for a longer period of time. Iām thinking of high dose for 5 days.
Try taking it with food and that should alleviate the upset stomach.