Welcome to our community. Please fill in the following template as a way of introducing yourself, and helping others to understand your background and situation.
Where are you from (country)?
How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
What is your current age, height, weight?
30, 6’3 and 90kg
What specific drug did you use (finasteride, dutasteride, saw palmetto, isotretinoin/Accutane, fluoxetine, sertraline, citalopram, leuprorelin, etc…)?
Dutasteride, Minoxidil, Ru58841, saw palmetto, aromasin, TRT
What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
Dutasteride 1mg Monday topical for 2 weeks
Ru- topical 50mg 5day a week
Minox - topical 1ml 25mg 5day a week
Aromasin - used once after dut gyno flair 12.5mg and again months after cessation 12.5mg eod for 2 weeks
Trt started March, 200mg/week up to end of July, then switched to propionate from enanthate, drop to 140mg/week (20mg/day)until September 1st
What condition was being treated with the drug?
Dut - hair loss
Minox - hairloss
Saw palmetto - to increase ejaculation load size (found in holy grail cum stack)
Aromasin - treat gyno cause by dut flare up
Trt - for low energy
For how long did you take the drug (weeks/months/years)?
Dut - only 2 weeks (may17, may24) , 1mg on Monday only for two applications. Stopped after total 2mg exposure
Ru- April 10 to mid July ish
Minoxisil April 10 to mid July ish
Saw palmetto - April 10- may 1
Armasin - once dose may 26 and 1 week use in August 20-27 or so
Trt March - September 1
How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start the drug?
30 started dut may 17, ru March 10, minox March 10, aromasin on and off (May 26 and August) trt from March to September 1, saw palmetto April 10-april 30
How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
30 quit all
Quit dut may 26
Quit saw palmetto April 30
Quit ru and minox mid July
Quit aromasin late August
Quit trt September
How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
Cold turkey quit for everything at their respective times
How long into your usage did you notice the onset of side effects?
Only noticed sides from topical dut, 2 days after had acute crash and 2 weeks later another crash.
Also crashed from aromasin in august
What side effects did you experience that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?
Prostatitis symptoms 2 weeks after ending dutasteride. Persisted for 3 mo this of burning urine, painful pelvic floor and tight prostate and bladder. Developed hard flaccid and long flaccid after aromasin use.
Check the boxes that apply. You can save your post first, then interactively check/uncheck the boxes by clicking on them. If your symptoms change, please update your list.
[x ] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[ x] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[ x] Loss of Morning Erections
[ x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ x] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability or Difficulty to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[x ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ x] Confusion
[x ] Memory Loss / Forgetfulness
[x ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[x ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[x ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ x] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[x ] Suicidal Thoughts
[ x] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[x ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[x ] Testicular Pain
[ x] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ x] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ x] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes
[ x] Prostate pain
[x ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ x] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ x] Tinnitus (ringing or high pitched sound in ears)
[ ] Hearing loss
[x ] Increased hair loss
[ x] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature
[ x] Other (please explain)
Bladder issues of weak stream
What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
Keto, fasting 3 days, aromasin, trt, hcg, cistanche, tongkat ali, mucuna pruriens, ubiquinol, heat therapy, Cialis daily, viagra, ubiquinol, vitamins and minerals, manual traction, nattokinase, royal jelly, so many htings i lose track of it… HCG
If you have pre or post-drug blood tests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (please post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?
https://i.imgur.com/AJ0Xh9C.png This was my first set of blood work on august. We can see even with very high free testosterone and total testotserone, i cannot even maintain erections. This show to me DHT is the leader of signalling for blood flow, at least for my body.
This set of blood test was 1 month later, i quit all TRT at this point, i didnt have total T, or estrogen or shbg because thsi time my dr order the tests, and he argue with me we don’t need to see these , only free T matter… https://imgur.com/a/OvDbP2Y
And here is my most latest test, from november 8. We see my total T is very high still, i didnt inject anything for 3 month now it is long out of my system. so what is happening is nolvadex and clomid are still working on my HPGA and causing high T output, but as well as HIGH SHBG… so my free T is in middle of the range… Still have bad erections with this hormonal profile…
Then again 1 month later
Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience?
I did used clomid and tamoxifen after discontinued trt to restore my testicle function.
Tell us your story, in your own words, about your usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.
Mid March (2021) begin trt 200mg/week split in 2 doses initially, erection quality worsened by late March, 100% pre TRT erections went to 80%, but penis still functioned normally, just felt less inflated. Now I didn’t panic because naturally in the TRT scene ED is related to too high or low estrogen. If I knew what would happen in the months ahead, I would have stopped right here.
Late march - Used HCG late March when balls started to shrink, erections go from 80% to 85%. Used protocol of 250iu eod to start. I found days of no hcg softer erections than the day I used hcg, especially a few hours after. This was a ‘restoring libido to favorable ranges’ protocol by Vigorous steve. Because of the initial improvements in EQ from hcg, i continued the cycle and didnt think much of the softer erections and that I woudl have the protocol dialed in soon.
April 10 start Ru58841 50mg/day on scalp. No issues, still 85% erections. MPMD pushing ru as a good hairloss prevention drug. I thought why not, and got from the source he pushes (anigenic). I didn’t notice any issues with erections changing at all. Maybe this played a part slowly over time or maybe it had no effect, but its hard to tell at this point.
May 16, I decide to use 1mg topical dut since MPMD has a video about the molecular weight of dutasteride being over 500 daltons, meaning it wouldn’t go systemic in a topical application… Boy was this a huge mistake on my part to listen to these guys just because they think they are smart. May 24 used 1mg topical dut for the final time. Following day felt itchy nipples, gyno symptoms, took first aromasin dose 12.5mg as a precaution, next day had a lump form overnight at breast area. Stopped the topical dut after 2 weeks and stopped the ai use after that one preventative dose from the gyno flare up. A few days in during week 2 after 2nd dose of Dut and ai dose, erections were at 0%. I had orgasmed while fully soft. I believe due to the dut as nothing up to this point ever caused such a reaction.
June 1 - June 16 erection quality recovered back to 70/80%. I used Leo, Steve protocol for hcg heavy use… 2kiu eod for a couple weeks. Saw some return to life in my penis. I had sex afew times with girls here, but penis went soft often inside of them even with 20mg cialis.
June 17 woke up with burning urethra towards the base of the spongeosum during urination. Suspected Std, booked appointment for June 24 with Dr. The burning urine feeling was only once per day in the morning, and was not as bad if I drank a lot of water prior to bed.
June 30 tests come negative, July 10 more negative tests, urinalysis shows everything normal, no culture growth in urine. Experimented with pt141 to get erections better, but still 80% and no random erections /hit or miss morning wood. Noticing I can only get hard with stimulation and weaker erections while standing.
July 15+, burning urethra now also paired with itchy urethra for rest of the day. this persisted into august.
July 27 stop testosterone enanthate pins because I am planning to come off everything to PCT and just get my dick back to functioning. No mental panic has set in yet, as I still think this is an E2 issue and I just am not dialed in correctly. I also dont suspect PFS because I managed to get some kind of recovery of penile function from the 0%. I didn’t link the burning urethra/urine to the dutasteride yet. I also stop RU at this time since I am tired of daily applications of hair topicals.
August 2 start testosterone propionate 20mg/day. I do this to bridge the gap while I wait for the enanthate ester to clear my body since propionate is a very fast half life. My erections actually 2 hours after pinning propionate went to 100%… I had the strongest boners in months, and it lasted 4 days then disappeared entirely… This is reminiscent to those temporary fixes people have in their experimentations post PFS before crashing again.
August 24, took prostate digital exam, Dr thinks it’s normal. PSA levels low. Blood work shows e2 at 59pg/ml. Took AI aromasin 12.5mg eod for 10 days. By end of 10 days, erections disappeared. Weak morning woods. It’s like my penis trying to get hard but cannot.also noticed long and skinny penis, girth has been lost by e2 crashing or Dut fibrosis…
Late August to early September, take 2kiu hcg eod again after the AI probably nuked my e2. Didn’t have the recovery relief like I did after dut use. Penis is weak, morning woods are pathetic… i can feel its trying to innervate down there but isnt getting stiff at all. I still have a mind penis connection though at this point.
September 1, quit trt and bridge remaining days to pct with hcg because I am tired of poor erections, and burning urethra feeling. Have blood tests, free T middle of range, e2 sensitive was 19pg/ml. Prolactin 13ug/L. My erections issues are not e2 related at all. This is more complex. Even behaviour of the penis is very off. The prostatitis symptoms continue (itchy urethra, very intense and constant all day and burning pangs in the spongeosum)
Mid September, have intense burning pain in penis, perinium, and scrotal ceiling when pressing, and difficulty urinating. Feeling of aching penis constantly, like it had been stretched inside. Feeling of having to urinate, but unable to… Sitting on toilet for 5-10 minutes and eventually drops of pee come out and relief comes briefly, then feeling returns. Warm baths help to let pee out. Start pct September 20. 40/40/20/20/10 nolva 25/25/25/25/12.5 enclomiphene
October 7 Dr gives doxycycline for 2 weeks, theorizing prostatitis. By week 1 end of antbx, most pain had gone. By 2nd week all symptoms of penile pain and perinium, urinary issues gone. Only 1 urine issue is weak stream, to this day still weak stream sometimes. I also am unable to tell if my bladder is 20% full or 80% full, as it feels the exact same. Only at 90%+ fullness I know that I have to pee, as my bladder has a sharp pressure feeling like I have to release… this isn’t how my bladder used to feel when I was ready to pee.
After the antibiotics course, I Developed hard flaccid syndrome around this time, but morning woods are sometimes 80% or 90%, or 40%, random and can’t predict what’s going on with them. Sometimes wake up at 4am with stiff penis, sometimes bendy. Penis can fill with blood but is soft, skinny and long/overextended flaccid a lot of the times and just rests on my thigh. Penis looks like it has lost girth and fullness overall. Neurogenic /psychogenic erections are very strange, they get to a long flaccid state then stuck there, need stimulation to get harder. I notice erections go away when standing unless I’m already as hard as I can from stimulation lying down. I never get hard walking or moving around like I did before starting trt and dut. I go soft fast when I get distracted, and don’t feel arousal as much. My penis also feels disconnected from the body , sensitivity has been dialed down like 50%.
I cannot tell when I have a erection like before. It feels weak, I used to have throbbing hard erections and pulsing pleasurable feelings but it’s entirely gone.Penis constantly feels tense and hard like a flexed bicep when flaccid or during long flaccid, but no rigidity. This is in hard small flaccid mode also during long flaccid it feels tight and weak After ejaculation, the penis goes from 70-90% hard to long flaccid mode, where it stays like that for a very long period of time like 5+ minutes. Detumescence feels very strange, like the blood is stuck inside or leaving the area in a strange way.
November - The amount of time it takes blood to void my penis after ejaculation is reduced, not 5-10 minutes anymore but more liek 5 minutes. I still have a disconnect of feeling between the mind and penis. morning woods are random, but never very hard, usually just like a large flaccid that feels detached from my body lacking any pleasureable sensations. I still have libido and can work myself to 80-90% erection with my hands, but I have turned into a premature ejaculator also, as I am only hard when I am edging or chasing the orgasm.