I might be way off here, and if it is the case then please just erase or disregard this reply. Is it possible that by taking these anti-fungals / antibiotics the immune system was somehow suppressed, and then keeping in line with an anti-body theory somehow the anti-bodies generated from finasterside disappeared or somehting to that effect? The list of the antifungals and antibiotics is very very very strong and these powerful drugs that where in his system just shut down or suppressed the immune system???
Why do you say this? Nystatin is not ant-inflammatory, in fact its pro-inflammatory, and if you take it IV it results in thrombophlebitis, fever, chills and nausea. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9333054
I did make a post about how nystatin may be beneficial to us by regulating an immune response viewtopic.php?p=37709#p37709. Perhaps similar to how intravenous immunoglobulin is used to to treat autoimmunity and transplant rejection, rather than corticosteroids.
But basically nystatin is an anti-fungal medication and thats it.
I think this falls into the ādumb luckā recovery rather than an evidence-based approach. IHP702 took two potent HDAC inhibitors, nystatin and dexamethasone which led people to believe PFS is a yeast problem or autoimmune problem. This error in reasoning is called the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. Anecdotal recovery stories are great, but we really need to look at the scientific research if weāre ever going to understand how to beat this thing.
āSecond Amendmentā nobody knows whats true at the moment unless it escaped your attention.
Why not look at Ockhamās razor; āthe theory that makes the fewest new assumptions is usually correctā.
How many assumptions must we make for aworās idea to be correct, and how many of those new assumptions must also be a totally brand new dicovery to science? Its not a logical when compared to, say, an autoimmune reaction against the enzyme, which is already known to medicine.
Yes what concerns me is that the effects i have off of marijuana is the same pre and post finasteride, (high libido, good erection and sensitivity) which suggests to me its positive effects are androgen independent, as a study was presented that marijuana reduces androgen.
IHP, congrats man. I can not even fathom what it would be like to be fully healed again.
While I am still very interested in what AWORs studies findā¦I really do believe you and your āresultsāā¦4 months seems to be the longest recovery so far off the top of my head. JN seems to be on the same page as you, although he still has not found the success that it seems you have, but I also do not think he has used as strong anti fungals.
Anyways, the #1 reason that I believe youā¦is that one of my closest buddies developed every symptom of PFS. His response to any type of medicine is exactly the same as what ours is. He never took any 5AR inhibitor, but simply got sick a while back and had all of this come on immediately during/after his sickness. I also had a severe bout with strep. during my crash.
Please stick around and keep us updated often, give us tips, etc.
Hopefully some people are willing to test this out and stick to it 100%.
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Nystatin probably deserves more focus if somebody can get a long term supply for a decent price. It was too expensive for me to continue with it despite positive results.
Hey IHP, thanks a MILLION times for posting this. This was pretty important to me and itās nice of you to bother writing this all up! Iām one of the guys in contact with the guy who youāve been in contact thru email and iāve been slowly coming to this approach myself over time.
I tried to beat these infections in my prostate (mainly enterococcus) by an prostate expert in Kos, Greece and i pretty much got my life back (a lot of amazing stuff had happened to me and solonjk dude, so if you are curious/want to know then PM me or ask me here or something) so this made me think a lot about the parasites-infection-inflammation side of things. I absolutely believe that i need to get on this route myself no matter the results of this therapy - iām not digesting a S*** now after these weeks of hard antibiotics so itās a safe bet for me.
Tell me man, did you uh support your liver in any way during this or did you do some liver detox (or any detox to that matter)? You made it sound like that you have done some actual (manual?) therapy to cleanse your insides besides actual detox medicines.
this post is great.
it looks like you had a recovery shortly after your eye surgery when you stopped everything, what do you think this played in this equation? did you take any kind of medication while doing the eye surgery that couldāve done anything?
why do you say you think people will say you didnāt have ārealā PFS?
protip: 16oz of beetjuice per day for brain fogā¦ i buy it all ready bottled
Why beet juice?
its good for the brain. beet juice promotes nitric oxide. nitric oxide is AWESOME for blood flow. viagra increases nitric oxide as well. hit up google, thereās lots of information there. iāve been drinking a bottle per dayā¦ itās one thing that I never go without.
How do we convince our docotors to give us a script for Nystatin?
one other thing, did you notice your hair start falling out again at different points within this journey that youāve taken to recovery?
how much is nystatin?
IHP, can I ask if you were ever tested for mold, candida or anything like that?
Thanks
This is very interesting and i have been leaning in this direction of treatment as every type of hormone therapy has failed me. IHP, you talked about that Chinese herb that made your erections go back to normal but at the same time caused fatigueā¦I have a few questions about the herb
how long did you feel fatigued on that herb? And also how long did you take it for?
IHP702
could you please tell how much dexamethasone did you use and for how long. this is the only thing of interest for me in this thread.
Just one questionā¦did you have problems with sensitivity?
Just to clarify this post: i have not recovered sexually through the Kos therapy. Like, i improved my spontaneous erections for some but i lost my morning erections. When i started the initial treatment, i had very low energy, brainfog, bad memoryā¦ and during the therapy my energies tripled along with improved eyesight (i guess a sympton of low energy as well). At the end of the second treatment, the doc must have hit a right spot in the prostate because i had an amazing energetic episode after that and for a little while, my very bad bloodsugar problems dissipated.
Btw IHP, i checked that chinese herbs site - so you had a breakthrough with your sexual problems through these prostate herbs? I was expecting a wide array of herbs but interestingly, itās just like three simultaneously used chinese prostate hebs. It seems that prostate plays a role in a lot of us i guess.
Have you tested if you have any actual parasites in you, eg worms or such? How is your thyroid function these days, have you ever medicated thatā¦No, you made it clear that you havenāt during the recovery therapy. But i mean is it good? I uh would imagine that once youāve get rid of the inflammation and parasites, your thyroid function would improve.
Hi IHP,
Which chinese herbs did you use specifically? Some on that site are used for benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) which makes me think that it would be bad for us since propecia (proscar) is used for BHP.