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#61

Yeah it is, that’s the feeling of your nuts getting used to making more testosterone than before, when you take finasteride it actually does the same thing, although by a different mechanism (reducing HPTA feedback by reducing DHT instead of Estrogen).

Also it would be wise to acknowledge that cigarettes do affect the whole body, not to mention that blood flow is actually pretty important… which brings me to my next point:

It is important to remember that not everyone here may be suffering from the same condition, I was talking to california and he actually went to a doctor and got diagnosed with the fact that his penis is only getting 40% of the blood flow it’s supposed to and thats what the cause of his problems is and it had nothing to do with hormones, so it’s definitely important to go to a respected doctor who won’t tell you there’s nothing wrong with you and get a proper diagnosis. I lucked out and the stuff worked for me, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for you. You just might have some sort of underlying condition that you never knew about.

So I urge everyone on here to keep in mind that the best possible solution that will nearly guarantee you success is to see one of the doctors listed on this site, even if it means you have to fly out to see them, even if it means you have to spend a lot of money.

#62

Wow Softie, and here I was all along thinking you were so smart.

Blood flow, having nothing to do with hormones, are you crazy? This is primarily what much of this is all about. T:E ratio, hormone feedback to the body, and/or prostate. Blood flow and glandular function for erection. Its all interconnected. Haven’t you read the “Testosterone Syndrome”. Where you been at kid, or what bed did you wake up on the wrong side of this morning?

And now you’re also backing away from your Alpha Test, Diesel Test preaching of these supplements, and now saying it might not work. :unamused:

Ok dude. :blush:

#63

Our problems has nothing to do with the blood flow in penis. I train every other day, my blood flow is like a niagara falls, my penis size is normal but the time of reaching erection is much slower, nevertheless I feel completely abnormal, numb, and with a 1/3 of my real libido and vigour. I have a feeling that the problem begins at the back of my head. I feel as if H-P does not direct correct signals or there is something switched of further not allowing the proper reaction to begin. I think it is something wrong with brain 5 AR, oxyticine release, androgen insensitivity or whatever that affects brain signaling.

#64

5th day on sustain alpha… i notice increased testicular size, a little more energy (i wake up in the morning without fatigue, and acne…
no sexual improvements

the odor of sustain alpha is nauseating… :confused:

#65

thanks for the updates, way

#66

hi big softie

Youe story gives hope to all of us

Where is this Coq Diesel available from , have you ever tried it?

#67

Hi guys,

I am a 28 year old guy who has never taken finasteride. So what the hell am I doing here? Well, I developed ongoing loss of libido subsequent to repeated use of MDMA (Ecstasy). I have always been a guy who required some stimulation to keep it up - I can’t just sit there and stay hard - and my morning wood was always inconsistent. After MDMA use, my morning wood was nonexistent and my libido dropped sharply. Even after two or three days abstinence, having sex would frequently still be really difficult as it would be a real struggle to stay turned on. It’s hard to describe but often I would be fighting to stay on this thin line between getting too much stimulation and coming, and getting too little and suddenly having the bottom drop out of my arousal. In short, getting turned on was like trying to make a fire with wet wood - it’s possible, but it probably needs some gasoline and you have to watch it like a hawk to make sure it doesn’t go out.

So I was using the past tense in that paragraph above… this has been going on for something like 3 years and I’m not 100% sure I’m out of the woods yet. But I have found something that I am sure is making a big difference and that brings me to why I’m here on Big Softie’s thread in this forum. While googling for help with libido, as I’ve done about 800 times, I happened upon Big Softie’s suggestion for dermacrine sustain. My interest was piqued when he mentioned that he had about 500 unfinished bottles of every possible supplement. I’m in the same boat. (While I’m here, some supplements I had limited success with are magnesium, vitamin E and a herb called mucuna pruriens which contains L-Dopa). I read about the product and it sounded promising, so I ordered a bottle and am currently halfway through it.

Libido is up, erections are much easier, my interest in girls has been revived and orgasm intensity is through the roof - basically everything Big Softie described. I can’t say for sure this is all down to the Sustain as I’ve just started a good exercise routine as well, but from my experience with exercise in the past I seriously doubt it is responsible for all this improvement.

The funny thing is that I may have been barking up the wrong tree for ages - my assumption was that MDMA had damaged my brain and that therefore the problem was some neurotransmitter imbalance. This was reinforced by some simple blood work I had done early on, where my total T came out in the “High” range. (Unfortunately I don’t remember things like free T as I didn’t know what I was talking about at the time). All the supplements I tried had the aim of, e.g., increasing brain dopamine. Now, I can’t be sure that that isn’t in fact the underlying problem. The lesson I take away from this is that a libido problem with ANY underlying cause can probably at least partially be treated by improving hormone profile. Who knows - my problem may have been related to stress and therefore a cortisol-dominant profile. In any case, there’s simply no reason NOT to give your hormone profile a little nudge. What I like about Sustain is that it works by ramping up LH and FSH, rather than trying to mess with androgens directly, something that can easily lead to trouble, as you guys are only too aware.

Anyway, that’s my story. I hope my improvement continues. I am very optimistic for the first time in ages and I am actually looking forward with confidence to dating a girl I met recently, rather than dreading the trial of the first time we go to bed together, where I have to pray to God my dick decides to work properly that day.

I know how horribly stressful it is being a young guy and having your sexual abilities taken away, so I hope all you finasteride users reading this solve your problems. In some ways I had more cause to be pessimistic, since I suspected my problems were related to permanent brain damage. The problems all you guys are having are almost certainly related to some kind of imbalance in the body, rather than to actual toxic damage. That means it’s reversible. So stay optimistic - and give Sustain Alpha a shot.

#68

does anyone know if it will be advantageous to take the original dermacrine… before using sustain… as i have ordered some also…
but im gna wait for a response from u guys till i try it…

#69

Hi ChrisAust,
I’m curious, could you go into more detail about your loss of libido? Did you feel like even looking at porn was like looking at trees or birds (completely different and unarrousing). Also, during this 3 year period, did your penis feel number, or did your scrotum feel number or hang lower? How long did it take before you noticed the differences on the Alpha?

#70

Hi painisgrowth,

In my experience porn is always less interesting the less horny you are. I find porn completely unarousing immediately after orgasm.

My loss of libido took two forms. Firstly I would take longer in between orgasms to regain any kind of interest or capability - 2-3 days was typical while two orgasms a day was normal for me before. Secondly, even when I managed to get aroused, it was a struggle. I would normally require a lot of manual stimulation, and as I mentioned, maintaining arousal was difficult. It wouldn’t take much to throw off my concentration and then all my arousal would be gone suddenly. By arousal I mean not so much my hardon as the sexual flush, heightened sexual desire, etc. It would be like someone snapped their fingers and went “you’re not turned on anymore” and suddenly I wouldn’t be. Maintaining arousal involved maintaining a constant level of stimulation. Using condoms was next to impossible as I couldn’t get this constant stimulation.

As far as penile numbness goes, in my experience the main thing determining penile sensitivity is level of arousal. If you’re really horny, your penis will be super sensitive, if you’re not horny it won’t be sensitive at all. So while I experienced some numbness, it was a symptom of my underlying lack of libido rather than a separate problem by itself. I think a lot of guys who are new to sexual dysfunction get this back to front - they think they can’t experience sexual pleasure because their penises are numb, but it’s the other way around. Penis sensitivity is mostly in your head. It took me a while to work this out when I started having problems.

Having said that, there are a couple of supplements which reliably decrease my penis sensitivity. Zinc, for instance, makes it easier for me to get hard but numbs my dick like crazy. Megadoses of vitamin C do it as well.

Substances that helped with my arousal/penis sensitivity:

Magnesium: This is good stuff and I think every guy with sexual problems should take it. It has a bunch of roles in the body, but one of them is (along with vitamin B6) converting l-tyrosine into l-dopa for conversion to dopamine. Dopamine is partially responsible for arousal. I supplement 200mg daily and bounce it to 500mg if I’m expecting sexual activity. Effects take 8 or more hours to notice.

Vitamin E: Not sure of the mechanism here, but sure it helps me out. I don’t supp it normally but take 750-1000 IU on days when I need it. Again, takes 8 hours to notice.

Mucuna pruriens extract: This plant contains l-dopa, a direct precursor to dopamine. It takes at least 24 hours for it to work for me, which suggests that it might be the prolactin suppression caused by the dopamine rise which is responsible, rather than the dopamine itself. I wouldn’t take this regularly as the body may respond by desensitising itself to dopamine. (That’s what I like about Sustain Alpha - by stimulating the body’s own androgen production systems, the body shouldn’t react by trying to counteract its effects).

GHB: Unfortunately this is illegal, but I had great results with it with an ex gf. Takes about 15 minutes to kick in and makes me pretty horny. Recently it hasn’t been working, but I think that’s because I have a poor batch, it being black market stuff. Analogs like GBL and 1,4-butanediol get sold as GHB and I think I have one of those now. If you take this, be really careful with dosage or you could kill yourself.

Then there’s Sustain, obviously.

I haven’t noticed any difference with my scrotum. I think my balls may be smaller than they used to be but I’m not really sure and even if they definitely were I couldn’t tell you when it happened.

By the way, as I said originally, it’s still early days and I might lose these benefits after a while. I can tell you that Sustain is not snake oil though. I’m like 90-95% sure this isn’t a placebo effect or anything like that because there are some objective things going on as well as subjective improvement. For instance, when I was younger, I would produce a lot of precum when I got aroused. That went away when my libido dropped, but now I’ve started taking Sustain I’m producing heaps of precum again.

#71

Hey friend, nice of you to contribute to the thread, especially considering you haven’t even used finasteride.

Anyhow, it seems to me that you may have suffered from adrenal fatigue, as well as possible dopamine receptor sensitivity reduction.

MDMA is an amphetamine drug which obviously means it is a stimulant, much like other stimulants like aderall and cocaine, it takes a toll on the body. And in my experience illegal stimulant drugs do take away erection ability while under the influence, and even shrink the penis for as long as a couple days after using. This was before I ever tried propecia.

Anyhow, I noticed that you mentioned zinc, magnesium and vitamin B6. I’ve found the best way to ingest all of those is taking a ZMA supplement before bed. I personally have noticed an improvement in libido with ZMA supplementation. More specifically, I use a supplement called ZMK, which includes even more minerals and is formulated to increase absorption… check it out here:

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/millennium-sport-technologies/zmk-120-tabs.html

Also primordial performance recently came out with a product called EndoAmp which is supposed to help with controlling cortisol. Sustain alpha, toco-8 tocotrienol vitamin E, and EndoAmp are being sold together as the “testosterone recovery stack”.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/testosterone_recovery_stack.cfm

The company goes as far as to claim that this is an effective method of drug-free post-cycle therapy, and frankly I don’t doubt that it’s possible. Also keep in mind that this is a huge statement for a supplement company to make.

Honestly I don’t doubt the possibility of GHB aiding recovery at all. It has been known to be a sexual enhancer. The problem of course is the legality, possibility of physical addiction, and the possibility of overdose. I also don’t currently have a hookup for this sort thing, and I don’t feel too inclined to talk my way around some potentially shady people.

Once again, these products may very well help you out, and you will pretty much suffer no side effects for trying (except for diesel test if you’re not careful) but like I said you might have some complex problems that these products might not be able to fix, and you’ll need the assistance of a top-notch doctor to really find out what’s wrong and fix it (as in california’s case).

It might also help to look into nitrous oxide enhancers. Effective ones do exist, and some are more potent that straight arginine. Google up citrulline malate.

#72

Hi Big Softie,

Adrenal fatigue is a definite possibility. I didn’t have time to go into the full story of my MDMA use, but after the last time I used it I had ongoing panic attacks with generalised anxiety lasting for a week or so after each one, so that would have had to have murdered my adrenal gland a bit.

Also note that there’s no possible way I could get it up on MDMA - no chance. That is related to the serotonin flood though. It’s possible I have overly elevated serotonin levels now, but that would be odd given that MDMA is supposed to be neurotoxic to the serotonin system.

What I don’t get is why Sustain is working if the problem is unrelated to androgens. I guess it’s sort of like a car with one cylinder not working - if you whack a huge turbocharger on the car it will still go faster even though you aren’t addressing the original problem.

Re the ZMK pills, while I agree that this is a great supplement for most people, as I mentioned, largish doses of zinc cause my dick to get numb, so I can’t take them. 30mg/day would definitely be too much. Anything over about 6-7mg I can’t take daily.

With all the chatter about GHB in this thread I think it’s appropriate to give some warnings about it:

  • GHB is physically addictive if taken often enough. Withdrawal is extemely unpleasant and can be very damaging. Don’t take it every day except under medical supervision.
  • GHB overdose is very dangerous. Increasing dosage increases the effect non-linearly, as with alcohol. Doubling a dose is extremely dangerous - if you drank a whole bottle of vodka, you’d be very drunk and probably sick. If you drank two bottles, you’d be dead. GHB is similar but the amounts are more like 5 mls, 10 mls.
#73

I don’t think this is a band-aid solution. Resveratrol is an adaptogenic substance I believe, which means that it has more of a correcting effect.

#74

10th day on sustain alpha
4 th day on diesel test (6 pills a day)

my face is completely full of acne, my testicles are slowly returning at the previous size (first 2-3 days of sustain and first 2-3 days on diesel test, testicles became bigger)

about sexual aspect: no improvements. not even a little increase in libido…nothing…

#75

ive also just started taking diesel test hardcore. on my 6th day, at 5 pills a day. ive noticed a moderate increase in libido and my testicles dont hang anymore, yet no improvement on erections or hardness.

#76

How can one order this in europe? Will it get caught in customs?

#77

to solonik:
I’m stacking up diesel with sustain alpha because i’m following the big softies’s protocol of recovery. yes, maybe both the products are too much…

my plan is:
sustain alpha for 2 month every days (continuing) +
switch 2 weeks on diesel and 2 weeks no…

… i don’t know… i’m starting to think that in my case is not a hormonal problem: when i was on trt + nolvadex i’ve noticed nothing, no chanche… i was expecting a little increase in libido but this didn’t happened… my testo and free testo was very high (out of the range!) and my e2 was in the middle range… but nothing has changed, only a lot of acne and a lot of energy (the same situation of today on sustain + diesel)…

about the exact composition of sustain, read here:
store.anabolicminds.com/product/ … -5-oz.html

for onni:
i’ve ordered both sustain and diesel on the site above, after 2 weeks the products arrived in europe at the customs; the costums ask me to relase a declaration about the ‘personal usage’ of the products. after 2 weeks products arrived to my home with a custom duty of 37 euro.

#78

I think there are european sources from which these products may be ordered from, look it up, I think www.getdiesel.com has some links to some european suppliers.

Anyhow, if you’re getting acne and energy and all that, then your problems may indeed not be hormonally related. I’m also thinking you might want to reduce the dosage a little bit.

You may want to look into seeing a doctor and get a doppler scan to see that your blood vessels are working properly, as it really may not be a hormonal problem.

Other than that I really don’t recommend anyone take dermacrine, it is stated that it might be potentially supressive to endogenous hormone production. The product I usually recommend is sustain alpha, which used to be called dermacrine sustain, so I can understand how people can get confused.

Like I said earlier, there is no magic bullet, and one’s best option would be to see a QUALIFIED doctor.

Also check out this little thing primordial performance wrote:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/85145-ultimate-primordial-pct.html

#79

viagra works, so my blood vessels are ok…
:cry:

#80

way, could you explain me what does it exactly means and how it works (relation of viagra and blood vessels)?