No not midnight, at 12.00 hours afternoon i mean.
I know what you mean, still at the moment a bit confused, just hope my bone density comes back ok, its next week.
I,ll have to take my time thinking things over, mayby i could try androgel for only a few months or so, or only hcg at the moment i just don,t know.
Will keep you informed, about what i,m going to do.
cheerio 
Did you ask the doctor to check bone density or did he request it on his own? I am concerned about this too.
Hi , this is my third endo and he requested it.
I am goining for hcg treatment.
If this doesn,t work i wil end up with trt.
How did this come about? I thought he didn’t want to try it?
What dosage will you be on, for how long?
Pls provide more details.
Hi,
My endo probably does not know about HCG and TRT that much, he said i was really low in testosterone, and prescribed androgell.
When i asked him if it would surrpress my own production he said it wont, now i know better, but i just did not want to disagree with him ,when he just agreed to help me, remember this is my third endo.
When we come to discussing my scans, i will give him studies that show all about HCG and TRT.
But in the end, he also thinks my testlevels are too low, and something must be done.
Over 3 tests in the last 2 years they were low, and getting rather lower then better.
Over at meso i got this advise from JanSz
[Your LH and FSH are on the bottom range.
Your Estradiol appears (I think) rather low.
Looks like you have secondary hypogonadism, that is your testis may be good but nobody tells them to work.
Additionally low estrogen.
If you convince your doctor to this method, problem is how to figure protocol, dose and frequency.
You may follow a protocol that one would use when attempting to be fertile.
You may skip the HMG part, unless you want to make sure and get her actualy pregnant.
Data Sheet
The description there says:
Dosage In The Male
Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism
1,000-2,000 I.U. PREGNYL, two to three times per week.
That translates to
minimum 2000iu/week
maximum 6000iu/week
Your will have few limits, they have to be found by blood testing:
The more HCG you use,
the more Testosterone your testis will produce.
the more estradiol you will have
the more Arimidex you will have to use to control Estradiol
You do not want to get more than FreeT~300
Calculated with:
Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator
using TotalT, SHBG and Albumin
You do not want to use more than 2 pills/week Arimidex (divided into halfs or quarters)
So work within this limitations and see if you can be natural.
.
.
Supposedly there is some evidence that frequency 2x/week or E3D is the best.
Supposedly E2D is not as good.
You will find out what works for you by trying.]
His post seems to simplify it for me so it gets more understandable.
And HCG first, hope this will help things, if it will not help i wont hesitate to go on TRT to see if this will help.
Now got too work on a plan, and convince my doc this will take some time.
thxs
Update,
After futher examination, it appears i have elavated wbc in 3 occasions must be due too some infection, 2 years ago i got bit by 4 tics.
Also i got blood on the way for soa/lyme wish i did it earlier, im going for lyme.
It,s a dammn shame, i need to find out for myself, whats wrong with my blood instead of all those doctors, who show no intrest.
Will let you know how it turns out, peace out.
O
And i cannot convince my endo to hcg, he says it will complicate things bullshyte.
I was precribed androgell witch i will take, for my low test starting today and will order my hcg, and try to ween off in about 6 months using a firm pct.
My dexa scan i,ll will have to wait on since my fucking doctor has 4 vacations in a year, of each 3 to 4 weeks figures.
I should have become a doctor, sit back, relax, and enjoy the finer things in life.
And i seem to have cloudy urination witch could be prostatitus,soa, lyme amonghts other things.
peace out.
Update
Since my last post i,ve tried ±10 days of androgell feeling better but after those 10 days feeling worse.
Since i was getting worse i stopped about a month ago, ended it with 3 shots of 500iu HCG e3d.
Before applying the andro test was ----> 7.5 (14-35)
After l-dex for 2 weeks but before andro -----> 14 (14-35)
after andro a month on nothing got stabbed test was----> 19 (14-35)
All in all i keep on working, and functioning resonably well.
Even with a 7.5 for test.
The androgell just didn,t feel right.
I got a dexa scan came back normal, so i havn,t had low test numbers a long time, if so i would probably had another outcome.
Had a mri today witch probably will turn out ok also.
For me i think fina created it, but ever since my hormone shock it has to do a little with lifestyle for me drink 3 times a week not to much though.
Smoke a little herb now and then.
But i,ve been doing this all my life, and probably will be, shouldn,t have to be a problem in my book.
The idea of using clomid together with l-dex is interessting me, i think its better to go with clomid or nolva, than to use test.
Its better to activate pituary than slowing it down, i probably will try this in the future because of my friggin nipps, would i not have had these nipps i wouldn,t do it, its the driving force for me as it has been long time ago.
Btw i purchased a good book Burn the fat Feed The muscle if interested give a pm.
Never had these nipps even when my weight was 85 kilo,s now i am at 75kilo,s and losing, not to much left however.
Maybe someone would like to join me on my future ride on clomid. Wellbutrin sounds also interresting.
Thats all for now peace out.
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By the way i dont understand how your testo levels fell from last year to this year so much!!! And so did you Lh and FSH!!!
Something else is wrong. Maybe you have used some suppressing substances. Stay away from them and try exercising.
Give us some more info pls on energy levels, libido, mood, strength, quality of sleep etc etc