Am i correct when i say, there are no drugs available wich lower progesterone 
I am not sure of this AT ALL, but I understood some bodybuilders control progesterone with winstrol.
Winstrol is an anabolic steroid, and obviously a very bad idea especially for someone on this forum. What you say might be true, but Winstrol has some really bad liver toxicity side effects, so itās a big no-no.
The following thread from anabolic minds may be helpful:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/84845-progestins-progestational-hormones.html
Some roid nut actually thinks progesterone is good for you 
but Dr. Crisler replies on the post and corrects him. I think he says that controlling progesterone is not very easy. Keep in mind it is actually still an active topic.
I also posted a little thing on the supplements section of this site about Vitex and some other things. It might be worth a read to you.
thxs for your input but Vitex usually has the effect of enhancing progesterone and decreasing estrogen levels.
My prolactin is already nihil.
Letrozole seems to down regulate progesterone boost testosterone, is used to act on gyno aka puffy.
But i think it is a bit too much.
Softie: Well I did not say it would be a good idea. Anabolics would be bad news, I already hate having to take cabergoline (which has quite serious sides) to combat fin sides.
guys when it comes to lowering progesterone there really is no known medically proven safe way to signifigantly lower and control it. Even the cabergoline is questionable at best. Majekellos suggested using RU-486, an abortion pill that basically shuts down estrogen production in women to kill the fetus, however the drug reacts very differently in men and may even raise estrogen as seen by this study and article by this MD 64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:yf ā¦ d=17&gl=us
Lifestyle changes can help, but I think sleeping and getting the adrenals healed are the first steps to controlling the progesterone.
When it comes to lowering progesterone, cabaser is no good, this lowers prolactin.
Majekellos suggested using RU-486, this is known to have some very nasty sides wich are worse than the benefits, it will work on lowering progesterone but at costs.
Letrozole however, boosts T, lowers Estrogen, and is known to lower progesterone, only this also comes with sides, its the most potent ai out there.
Because i am puffed i consider this, but i will have to think hard and long.
Lifestyle changes can help, but I think sleeping and getting the adrenals healed are the first steps to controlling the progesterone.
You are probl right with this but man gyno is a bitch.
You read my post wrong, I never said anything about using cabergoline to lower progesterone, it is for prolactin only.
I responded on this from Ithappens
guys when it comes to lowering progesterone there really is no known medically proven safe way to signifigantly lower and control it. Even the cabergoline is questionable at best.
Thanks for your ideas, i think were in about the same boat Onni.
Probably, when we wait long enough our body,s will ajust all but it could take another few years and that scares me.
Popo. you are the first person here to have an identical blood work to mine. Look at my blood test, you will easly get my hormonal profile.
I did not suggest to use RU 486!!! I only wrote that it is the only known progesteron supressor. As far as I know femara (letrozole) has no influance on progesteron problems.
As I wrote before, and will repeat it over and over again. Our bodies those guys with elevated progesteron switched to the hormonal profile of a pregnent woman. It is very, very propable that RU 486 will be used to treat our problems, when there will be much more people suffering problems similar to ours, or when there will be much more data provided on this drug.
RU 486 is currently tested for psychiatric purpose with a lower dosage, and as some of you guys know, some of our doctors did suggest to visit psychiatrists (this is the only good thing they know about our problems).
Thie funniest thing is that non of these āreliableā doctors focused on this crucial hormon, that is most likely responsible for our disorder.
From the theoritical point of view, I think that the only way to regenerate 5AR with a full success is to decrease majority of influance of progesteron on human cells. I described the potential mechanism, that could lead to this situation that we are stuck inā¦ and repeat it once again.
When you decreased your 5AR for a long period, then progesteron could not have been converted via 5AR sufficiently. After some time it kept elevated. When you stopped finasteride, you did not regain your 5AR because it is still supressed by progesteron, being still overproduced. Your body did not have enough time to regenerate 5AR and still misslead your system to overproduce progesteron. This is a closed ālooped actionā which realy mimics a prognent woman profile in some way.
Life style may help, but I am afraid that this missleading program will be going anyway, giving you some better days and some worse days.
I used antibiotic for some time the one that acts as a progestin antagonist (decrease the action of a birth control pills), it helped a bit, I guess this program seems to be to strong, to be forced back with this only.
If you have a normal hormonal levels with a low LH, FSH, high progesteron and cortisol, it is most likely that your issue is progesteron. Elevated crtisol it is also the cause or progesteron imbalance.
There is also a nightmare scenario that I do not want to think about.
Elevated progesteron is also found in a post-menopausal man, who are basicaly 5AR defficient being like 80-90 years oldā¦
There is also a nightmare scenario that I do not want to think about.
Please tell me what youre thinking about?
Feeling like shit ok but
Realy mimics a pragnent woman profile in some way. Come on last thing i wanted too hear lol
The worst thingā¦ here you haveā¦
Ever heard of the old man regrowing some vellus hair at their menopausal, postmenopausal ageā¦
These old people as they get old they have much less 5AR activeā¦ not only testosterone lowered plus most of them have progesteron imbalance tooā¦ I have elevated progesteron plus, practicaly I keep my hair without any stimulatorā¦ or the hairloss is at least much slowerā¦
I hope in our case it has nothing to do with 5AR activity in the cell, otherwise I will be about to hang myselfā¦
Popo. I am glad to know that you exist here, so as I am pleased to have a contact with Onni and 19. We share our experience and we hope it has nothing to do with 5AR by itself, but more the f***g loop of progesteron action in this hormonal imbalanceā¦
Hi, guys
I got my dht back it is 1.66 (1.36-3.40)nmol/l
I,d say it is a bit low right?
What if one was too use andractim, then i would surpress my own production of dht right, opinions please.(could help with gyno)
So far after 1,5 years i now get more bodyhair belly and chest, find this cool, but my hair on top doesn,t seem to fall out.
But i still want to see if i can improve more, i,m going for You can try arimidex and see what happens. Hopefully after a while, your system will get reset to the proper ratios. You can try a lower dose transdermal T cream (applied to the thin skin on the inner bicep) for a short time, like a few months, until the numbers look good. Hopefully you will get a good DHT conversion from the T Cream, and the DHT will lower your Estrogen, and hopefully this may reset your ratios. If this does not work well enough, you might try a very low dose 5mg per gram T cream on the scrotum, which will all convert to DHT. This would hopefully raise your DHT by about 20-30 points. The DHT will lower your E2 as well as Total Estrogen, and hopefully after a period of time, reset your ratios. Since Propecia affects DHT, hopefully this will correct the problem. Iām not sure by what mechanism Propecia messes things up, but hopefully this will make a difference.
What do you guys think?
Hi, i made my (own) protocol wich i am going too follow over these nexts months.
I am starting Liquidex .25 e3d as i know my E2 is Still elevated.(Puff)
I am starting GHB alongside just too see what happens.(kick)
After a month i will: depending on results, begin with Tongkat Ali.(Test)
And i will start my keto diet(Atkins) too lose my exsess 8 kilo,s, togehter with nystatin). Since its a no sugar diet anyways and just too be sure.
This will be my ultimate try in correcting shit.
I will update on a weekly basis in the recovery section.
I will beat this muthafucka!
Hi Have not started the tongkat yet, but have got my 3rd bloodtest back
iI was going to make the best of it, but my tests scared me.
Testosteron 7.5 (14-35)
Free test 185.0(250-700)
GammaGT 73 (<60)
RDW 11.3(11.5-15.0)
The rest was whitin limits.
Endo prescribed androgel, said there was no surpression of own test production because its low 
He never mensioned Hcg or talked about fertillity.
I.ve got to take an ct scan, and an bone density check.
Fuck me i thaught i was getting better bit by bit.
I am still thinking about the androgel, because i dont want to play god, and have to keep playing with my hormones but maybe i,ve got no choise.
some input from you all guys?
p.s. the bloodtest was taken 2 months ago, before i started liquidex and did not take any supps or meds at least 4 months prior.
o and progesterone has no references ill have to check it out.
thxs
Elevated, obviously.
From
doctorndtv.com/FAQ/detailfaq.asp?id=7749
Do you have other recent liver function tests (AST, ALT)? Based on previous AST result you might want to investigate liver further (complete liver function tests, ultrasound) ā check for cirrhosis/fatty liver etc.
Have you had a CBC (complete blood count) / Hematology panel done?
You would need to see the other results (ie RBC, MCH, MCHC, Platelets etc) to put this in contextā¦ but if you do some googling, anemia is a condition associated with low RDW ā and anemia is often found in hypogonadal patients ā medscape.com/viewarticle/531722
Of course this is all of no surprise to you since your T levels, judging by latest results, are in fact hypogonadal.
Well there are studies in the Drug Therapy section showing that hCG AND Clomid can be used to try and restore your own endogeneous T production, did you discuss such options with him? There is also a study showing that hCG can be used to maintain fertility while on TRT.
I would advise you to get a fertility test done prior to starting any medication, and consider banking some sperm as well, just in case.
This is good, more ammunition for your cause to get treatment.
Basically what it comes down to is this ā if you go on TRT, it is likely for life (unless you quit) and without hCG you will not be fertile. If fertility and testicular size are of no importance to you and you want to rely on TRT for good, then go ahead.
If you do not want to go this route, I would press for less permanent options such as trying Clomid or hCG BEFORE resorting to TRT. If he doesnāt want to entertain those options, there are likely other endos who would be more open-minded ā likely in the Anti-Aging field (do a search for anti-aging docs in Europe or wherever you are located), or visit Dr Shippen.
Cheers.
Thank you for your reply, i,m from The Netherlands. 
I dont really know what to do right now, will think it over.
About the rest of it;
RDW 11,3 (11.5-15.0)
Leucocyten 9.4 (4-10)
ASAT 25 (<40)
ALAT 31 (<40)
PSA 0.57 (0-2.5)
GamaaGT 73 (<60)
TSH 0.84 (0.3-5)
Free T4 11 (9-20)
FreeT3 5 (2.6-5.7)
LH 3 (3-10)
FSH 3.7 (3-10)
Oestrasdiol 111 (<230)
ANdrosteendion 4.3 (2.1-10.8)
Prolactine 86 (55-380)
Testosteron 7.5 (14.0-35.0)
Progesteron 0.79 ?
SHGB 21 (10-75)
Free TesT 185 (250-700)
Still i was hoping my Testosteron numbers were climbing instead of the other way arround, so i was surprised.
Thxs
When were your tests taken, time of day?
12.00 a.m
Midnight??
Or do you mean 12PM (afternoon)?
Testosterone levels are highest in the MORNING and decline throughout the day ā ideal time to get tests done is 7am-9am.
Taking them at midnight or 12pm would affect resultsā¦ though even at 12pm you shouldnāt be THAT low on T.