My 90% recovery and how i did it

[mcibofh]

Sorry man its worse then that. The studies are early stages. Your on your own for recovery.

@Finatruth

NOTHING WILL EVER IMPROVE!! Donate to the studies please! There is no hope other than the studies

[pvdl]

Basically recovery is out of your control. You might be one of the recovered guys or you might not be one of them.

Most people do see improvements over time though (mental or physical or sexual).

It is our obligation to get these studies filled, for our sake and the guys who swallow this in the future.

[Finatruth]

There is no recovery! There is no getting better. Please just support the studies

[pvdl]

@Finatruth

There is no recovery! There is no getting better. Please just support the studies

You are repeating a straw man.

I never said “There is no recovery”. I said: Wether you recover or not is out of your control.

Your hate for the studies is really baffling.

For you this is all a big joke. For some of us it is a serious illness.

[pvdl]

@bizzbee333

There’s a RAT in the KITCHEN!!!

You sound like a Nazi, ready to send people to the gas chambers. You would have gladly volunteered to work at concentration camps back in the “good old days”. Freak.

I would be embarassed to call other people rats that need to be killed (i.e. a rat in the kitchen).

[bizzbee333]

Bahahahahahahahahaha

Recovery is OUT OF YOUR CONTROL!!! NOTHING IS IN OUR CONTROL!!!
WE ALL JUST GET SWEPT AWAY BY THE TIDES, NO POINT IN FIGHTING BACK !!!

I hope people read this and realize what a dupe PVDL really is. You really are fucked. The progress that I and countless others have made through persistence and hard work is simply luck. Right…

@pvdl

Basically recovery is out of your control. You might be one of the recovered guys or you might not be one of them.

Most people do see improvements over time though (mental or physical or sexual).

It is our obligation to get these studies filled, for our sake and the guys who swallow this in the future.

[bizzbee333]

You are a hopeless pessimistic dirty little rat that needs to get stepped on. You are subhuman with the sort of moribund filth you have spewed on this website. You are nobody to come here and tell others what recovery means. You wouldn’t have a clue. You think JQD is a bad influence you ought to look in the mirror you filthy shit.

@pvdl

@bizzbee333

There’s a RAT in the KITCHEN!!!

You sound like a Nazi, ready to send people to the gas chambers. You would have gladly volunteered to work at concentration camps back in the “good old days”. Freak.

I would be embarassed to call other people rats that need to be killed (i.e. a rat in the kitchen).

[Finatruth]

What?? I’m being negative and supporting the studies. What do you want from me PVDL? I’m confused as shit now.

[Finatruth]

So, allow me to entertain your statement if you’re Will PVDL. So you now conceede the possibility of recovery but admonish people for trying different things to get them better? So people should wait around and see if they get better? Can’t try hormones and the like?

[backfromhell]

i´m very sorry for this kid; 19 years old with PFS. Very bad. I cannot imagine losing my sexuality at this age.

[pvdl]

@Finatruth

So, allow me to entertain your statement if you’re Will PVDL. So you now conceede the possibility of recovery but admonish people for trying different things to get them better? So people should wait around and see if they get better? Can’t try hormones and the like?

I am not against what I would call symptom management. This means: A healthy diet and excercise. I think its important to stay as health as possible, especially when stricken with disease. However it does not mean that a good diet is the CURE for PFS.

If it were, like bizzbee is proclaiming loudly, the foundation and researchers would not need to look further.

Obviously its not, as countless people have tried, and have had persistent symptoms remain.

I think bizzbee really showed his NAZI attitude in the above post. Sad really, to call people with differing opinion subhuman. That he would let himself fall to such depth, is scary.

I am not saying: Be swept away by tides. I am just realistic.

The proactive route is staying as healthy as possible, to feel better (even if its not a cure) and to participate in studies.

Why this reaps so much hatred from bizzbee is baffling. But obviously he is in a really bad place right now, if he thinks its necessary to spew NAZI nonsense on this site (calling people rats and subhuman).

[pvdl]

@bizzbee333

You are a hopeless pessimistic dirty little rat that needs to get stepped on. You are subhuman with the sort of moribund filth you have spewed on this website. You are nobody to come here and tell others what recovery means. You wouldn’t have a clue. You think JQD is a bad influence you ought to look in the mirror you filthy shit.

@pvdl

@bizzbee333

There’s a RAT in the KITCHEN!!!

You sound like a Nazi, ready to send people to the gas chambers. You would have gladly volunteered to work at concentration camps back in the “good old days”. Freak.

I would be embarassed to call other people rats that need to be killed (i.e. a rat in the kitchen).

So there is a cure?

That further research is needed is a lie?

The people who do not recover are just too lazy to work out?

Is there a definitiv pattern why people dont recover and some do? Are those who dont just not privy to your special diet? What about those who say they did nothing and recovered over time?

Obviously some recover. For some however it is chronic. Thats why research is needed. Do you want to question that statement. Answer these questions calmly instead of hiding behind insults like a teenager. We are not in highschool anymore. Discuss the content you poor soul.

[bizzbee333]

APPARENTLY, there is a cure for SOME, not ALL. If you’re not one of those who is disciplined and motivated enough to try resistance training, paleo diet, high intensity cardio, and avoiding toxins (i.e. alcohol, caffeine, tobacco) consistently for years on end until you are cured then by all means just wait on the studies. That’s what they are for right? For people like you. There are others here who have taken matters into their own hands and have refused to give in to naysayers and just followed the aforementioned regimen and came out on top. Just accept it. It had nothing to do with luck. They pushed their bodies in a certain direction using the aforementioned regimen and became healthy again. If they hadn’t then there is no doubt they would have stayed put in this miserable condition, like you. So sit there and by all means just wait and quit pouting like a little bitch. Congratulations on graduating high school, welcome to adulthood, now quit your little bitching and pouting and fuck off already.

[Finatruth]

Wait, PVDL, so now you are a doctors and saying diet and exercise are ok but hormones are not? So you are the judge, jury, and executioner? Bottom line PVDL, I’m not gonna argue with you but your young and within your first year so you have no perspective. I now do, as I had a limp cold dick for 2 years and now full erections, full senstivity, full libido again. If people want to try hormone manipulation that’s up to them. While many say zero benefits, some have said very positive benefits from it. Be mindful

[pvdl]

@bizzbee333

APPARENTLY, there is a cure for SOME, not ALL. If you’re not one of those who is disciplined and motivated enough to try resistance training, paleo diet, high intensity cardio, and avoiding toxins (i.e. alcohol, caffeine, tobacco) consistently for years on end until you are cured then by all means just wait on the studies. That’s what they are for right? For people like you. There are others here who have taken matters into their own hands and have refused to give in to naysayers and just followed the aforementioned regimen and came out on top. Just accept it. It had nothing to do with luck. They pushed their bodies in a certain direction using the aforementioned regimen and became healthy again. If they hadn’t then there is no doubt they would have stayed put in this miserable condition, like you. So sit there and by all means just wait and quit pouting like a little bitch. Congratulations on graduating high school, welcome to adulthood, now quit your little bitching and pouting and fuck off already.

Whatever you say. Lets agree to disagree. I dont think that excercise is a cure. Some recover with or without excercise. It has nothing to do with pouting. It is just an acceptance of a very probable reality: There are countless chronic health diseases. Good Luck.

[bizzbee333]

It’s not up for debate. There have been now many testaments to this working for people on this forum as well as off this forum. It should be an accepted fact. Now scurry off.

@pvdl

@bizzbee333

APPARENTLY, there is a cure for SOME, not ALL. If you’re not one of those who is disciplined and motivated enough to try resistance training, paleo diet, high intensity cardio, and avoiding toxins (i.e. alcohol, caffeine, tobacco) consistently for years on end until you are cured then by all means just wait on the studies. That’s what they are for right? For people like you. There are others here who have taken matters into their own hands and have refused to give in to naysayers and just followed the aforementioned regimen and came out on top. Just accept it. It had nothing to do with luck. They pushed their bodies in a certain direction using the aforementioned regimen and became healthy again. If they hadn’t then there is no doubt they would have stayed put in this miserable condition, like you. So sit there and by all means just wait and quit pouting like a little bitch. Congratulations on graduating high school, welcome to adulthood, now quit your little bitching and pouting and fuck off already.

Whatever you say. Lets agree to disagree. I dont think that excercise is a cure. Some recover with or without excercise. It has nothing to do with pouting. It is just an acceptance of a very probable reality: There are countless chronic health diseases. Good Luck.

[pvdl]

@bizzbee333

It’s not up for debate. There have been now many testaments to this working for people on this forum as well as off this forum. It should be an accepted fact. Now scurry off.

@pvdl

@bizzbee333

APPARENTLY, there is a cure for SOME, not ALL. If you’re not one of those who is disciplined and motivated enough to try resistance training, paleo diet, high intensity cardio, and avoiding toxins (i.e. alcohol, caffeine, tobacco) consistently for years on end until you are cured then by all means just wait on the studies. That’s what they are for right? For people like you. There are others here who have taken matters into their own hands and have refused to give in to naysayers and just followed the aforementioned regimen and came out on top. Just accept it. It had nothing to do with luck. They pushed their bodies in a certain direction using the aforementioned regimen and became healthy again. If they hadn’t then there is no doubt they would have stayed put in this miserable condition, like you. So sit there and by all means just wait and quit pouting like a little bitch. Congratulations on graduating high school, welcome to adulthood, now quit your little bitching and pouting and fuck off already.

Whatever you say. Lets agree to disagree. I dont think that excercise is a cure. Some recover with or without excercise. It has nothing to do with pouting. It is just an acceptance of a very probable reality: There are countless chronic health diseases. Good Luck.

Lets summarize:

1. We agree that a certain percentage of people do recover
2. We agree that a certain percentage of people dont recover
3. We agree that we dont understand this desease yet.
4. We agree that there is no cure yet that works for everyone.
5. We disagree why the recovered recovered. Some of them say they worked out. Some say they did nothing special. Some say they know why the recovered. Others say the cant say why they did.

[bizzbee333]

You can disagree and cast doubt on it all you want. The facts still hold. The method outlined by Chi and Cdnuts clearly works for some and is directly causal to a recovery. If they hadn’t followed it, as they attest to it themselves, they would have remained put in the same condition. They and others were willing to put in the hard work and have reaped the rewards. You, on the other hand, are content with petty bickering and slandering. They are the doers and you are the naysayer who will get nowhere with your sulky, childish attitude that has run amok on this website. I am also reaping the benefits. I have never undertaken a regimen like this before for so long and stayed in misery for years (which you like to point out in your little snide, callow remarks) not knowing what it was that was keeping me back. Now I am at the point in which most days it’s not even a thought, I only come here to encourage others to try and perservere like I did. It was extremely taxing and difficult during the worst of this condition to have the will to even get out of bed, let alone go to a gym and workout to failure. But that’s what I did, as well as others. Ironically enough, I recovered briefly several years back following a program much like this one only to become vain again by using anti-androgens to regrow what little hair was left on my head. I would have stayed recovered if I had accepted my own looks and been content with just being healthy. You should listen more and learn instead of shouting others down on some internet forum with you bloviating on the importance of studies. I sat in the doctor’s office seven years ago with a world renowned sex medicine specialist wondering why studies weren’t underway then and why the medical community was as apathetic as they were at the time towards this condition. I was ecstatic to hear recently that they had finally begun doing what I was desperately hoping for back then: actual studies. But I wasn’t going to wait, I knew I had to do something on my own otherwise I would spend the better part of my youth living as a eunuch, a very real possibility for you with your attitude. So don’t presume to know what others think or opine until you have stepped in their shoes. Now scurry off.

[mcibofh]

1. This syndrome isn’t just about ED. I can get it up just fine thank you.

2. You were ecstatic about studies and now you just sit here an argue about fitness.

3. No amount of grass eating and weight lifting is going to fix the vision problems this shit caused.

4. You were stupid enough to try an anti-androgen again and yet we should listen to your superior knowledge about how to make this better.

We have CDnuts and Chi’s story here. We don’t need your condescending useless attitude spewing nonsense all over.

@bizzbee333

You can disagree and cast doubt on it all you want. The facts still hold. The method outlined by Chi and Cdnuts clearly works for some and is directly causal to a recovery. If they hadn’t followed it, as they attest to it themselves, they would have remained put in the same condition. They and others were willing to put in the hard work and have reaped the rewards. You, on the other hand, are content with petty bickering and slandering. They are the doers and you are the naysayer who will get nowhere with your sulky, childish attitude that has run amok on this website. I am also reaping the benefits. I have never undertaken a regimen like this before for so long and stayed in misery for years (which you like to point out in your little snide, callow remarks) not knowing what it was that was keeping me back. Now I am at the point in which most days it’s not even a thought, I only come here to encourage others to try and perservere like I did. It was extremely taxing and difficult during the worst of this condition to have the will to even get out of bed, let alone go to a gym and workout to failure. But that’s what I did, as well as others. Ironically enough, I recovered briefly several years back following a program much like this one only to become vain again by using anti-androgens to regrow what little hair was left on my head. I would have stayed recovered if I had accepted my own looks and been content with just being healthy. You should listen more and learn instead of shouting others down on some internet forum with you bloviating on the importance of studies. I sat in the doctor’s office seven years ago with a world renowned sex medicine specialist wondering why studies weren’t underway then and why the medical community was as apathetic as they were at the time towards this condition. I was ecstatic to hear recently that they had finally begun doing what I was desperately hoping for back then: actual studies. But I wasn’t going to wait, I knew I had to do something on my own otherwise I would spend the better part of my youth living as a eunuch, a very real possibility for you with your attitude. So don’t presume to know what others think or opine until you have stepped in their shoes. Now scurry off.

[bizzbee333]

You’re stupid enough to think I thought this was just about ED. I had most of the side effects listed here on this website to include vision problems. You don’t want to listen don’t, I mentioned my past usage of anti-androgens to serve as a warning, not to parade around some kind of magical credential and holier than thou attitude. Others here will listen to what I have to say I’m sure. What a moron you are to think this is about ego and superiority. Either you have the brain of a fuckin monkey or you like to twist and turn people’s words around to make them sound like something disfigured and rotten, much like yourself. I’ll eat the “grass” as you call it and YOU can EAT SHIT. You have no credibility here. FUCK OFF

@mcibofh

1. This syndrome isn’t just about ED. I can get it up just fine thank you.

2. You were ecstatic about studies and now you just sit here an argue about fitness.

3. No amount of grass eating and weight lifting is going to fix the vision problems this shit caused.

4. You were stupid enough to try an anti-androgen again and yet we should listen to your superior knowledge about how to make this better.

We have CDnuts and Chi’s story here. We don’t need your condescending useless attitude spewing nonsense all over.

@bizzbee333

You can disagree and cast doubt on it all you want. The facts still hold. The method outlined by Chi and Cdnuts clearly works for some and is directly causal to a recovery. If they hadn’t followed it, as they attest to it themselves, they would have remained put in the same condition. They and others were willing to put in the hard work and have reaped the rewards. You, on the other hand, are content with petty bickering and slandering. They are the doers and you are the naysayer who will get nowhere with your sulky, childish attitude that has run amok on this website. I am also reaping the benefits. I have never undertaken a regimen like this before for so long and stayed in misery for years (which you like to point out in your little snide, callow remarks) not knowing what it was that was keeping me back. Now I am at the point in which most days it’s not even a thought, I only come here to encourage others to try and perservere like I did. It was extremely taxing and difficult during the worst of this condition to have the will to even get out of bed, let alone go to a gym and workout to failure. But that’s what I did, as well as others. Ironically enough, I recovered briefly several years back following a program much like this one only to become vain again by using anti-androgens to regrow what little hair was left on my head. I would have stayed recovered if I had accepted my own looks and been content with just being healthy. You should listen more and learn instead of shouting others down on some internet forum with you bloviating on the importance of studies. I sat in the doctor’s office seven years ago with a world renowned sex medicine specialist wondering why studies weren’t underway then and why the medical community was as apathetic as they were at the time towards this condition. I was ecstatic to hear recently that they had finally begun doing what I was desperately hoping for back then: actual studies. But I wasn’t going to wait, I knew I had to do something on my own otherwise I would spend the better part of my youth living as a eunuch, a very real possibility for you with your attitude. So don’t presume to know what others think or opine until you have stepped in their shoes. Now scurry off.