MK-677 and Clomid for post Finasteride question

Therapeutic Efforts
#1

Hi,

I have taken Pro-hormones in the past (once mistakenly, i had asked for something that wasn’t a steroid but he ended up giving me something worse, it was M1T and he told me i didn’t need P.C.T) And prior to that i had tried Deca but they were all oral formulas. I did feel strength on the M1T that was not placebo and a pain in my right testicle with a substantial shrinking. I ran a cycle and i did no .P.C.T. I never took it again.

I also took propecia in two instances. The second time around, i really felt the side effects rather quicky and Erectile dysfonction that never subsided.
Im currently waiting for DHT bloodwork results to return.

I had my LH FSH tested and they are all very low (around 1 U/L both of them, “normal” range between 1 and 9 U/L for both) WIth low testosterone. I also have been very depressed with extremely low energy brain fog and severe insomnia.

I decided to take MK-677 for growth hormone to possibly address these issues in a more general way.
I would like to take Clomid. I am aware that i’m way past the P.C.T windows but i’m also desperate and i figure it could be good to try and kickstart my LH and FSH / testosterone by using clomid even if the long term results have shown a return to baseline after discontinuation. Im’ thinking (ideally) it might trick my pituary gland to maybe return to its previous state.
Before i took propecia the 2nd time, (3 years years ago) although LH FSH was low and i had experienced testicular shrinkage, My testosterone showed much higher values.
Now, even though my blood work shows low levels, my doctor doesn’t get involved and says it’s “within normal range” (at the lowest). I have zero libido, have bad ED, never have morning wood, no spontaneous erections even with imagery ect need to be stimulated a lot, very low energy ect.

If you have any thoughts on this i would appreciate it.

This is my main question:
Studies have shown clomid to reduce growth hormone temporarily. Mk677 raises growth hormone. In your opinion, is it ok to take MK-677 and clomid at the same time ?

I’m on my third day on MK-677 and looking into Clomid.

Thank you for your patience and reading through.

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#2

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#3

Hi there
I read your post with great interest as I have done very similar things in the past
I have used Diananol Deca and testosterones cycles without pct as i had been told pct was not necessarily needed.
After doing these cycles i learnt more about pct and went on to use pct drugs for further cycles .
One thing i did learn too late is that Deca / Nandralone will shut your testosterone down completely and more than a testosterone cycle Deca is potent and should not be run without testosterone along side it as its so potent at shutting your system down.
I was on Finasteride throughout these cycles and carried on taking Finasteride for around 6 years plus in total.
Finasteride gave me a number of sexual problems that persist even now.
With cycling steroids and taking finasteride it makes it very difficult to know what is causing what is causing the problems and adds even more confusion to the situation.
I have use clomid preg and tamox for pct at the end of cycles but the sexual issues still persisted. I eventually stopped steroids as everything was pointing at them being the problem but testicular pain persisted along with the sexual issues.
I then stopped the Finasteride and eventually the testicular pain subsided but the again the sexual issues persisted this is where I realised that these problems were going to stick around.
I used viagra to combat these problems throughout taking steroids and Finasteride and still have to use viagra even now to get and maintain an errections without viagra it just doesn’t happen as i get zero morning or spontaneous errections since taking Finasteride.
I took the steroids as an anti inflammatory and to strengthen my body as i was in so much pain I also took alot of ibuprofen i eventually found out it was ankylosing spondylitis causing the pain.
We have taken similar substances so it would be great if we could have a chat and keep InTouch as what works for one of us may work for the other .

#4

This is my suggestions… The medical field doesn’t recognize PFS. I don’t know if you had much success with doctors but if you wanna cover all angles, maybe approach the medical field with “fertility issues” You can make up the story that you are trying to conceive but it is not working ( even if it’s not true. Desperate needs desperate measures.) It’s one thing to get blood results but another to address fertility. THey might take you under their wing more readily and try constructive ways of making you feel better ( unless you dont want children or already have, then TRT could be an option) If you do want children then at least they will tackle the issue without affecting your fertility. (odds are, our fertilty is affected by all this for sure). 2nd thing is get blood work for LH, FSH, PROLACTIN, SHBG, TESTOSERONE( FREE, BOUND) DHT, ESTROGEN(ESTRADIOL). Also thyroid if possible TSH, T3, T4. What i do: (im in Canada blood work is covered) I get the paper for blood test and i check mark what i want to be tested. ( i have done this over 10 times with 3 different doctors and none of them said anything.) to make it less obvious ask for bloodwork revolving around sexual health so that you can check mark the extra values later :slight_smile: If your doctor is understanding though, you can litteraly point out all the values you want tested ( mine isnt understanding). After this, you will have a better way to know how to tackle the issue. Is it your LH FSH, is your testosterone, is it your estrogen levels, DHT, SHBG, PROLactin causing issues, ect, which is it…

In the meantime
Mk-677 might be worth looking into. Could you try clomid now ? Without being on any cycle?

#5

How are you now @Garabeca?