Majkellos hormons

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#1

Total Testosterone: 6,53 1,66 - 8,77 (low SHBG shows it is extremely bioavailable)
Free (Bioavailable) Testosterone: -
DHT: not available in my country
Estradiol (E2): 22 11-44
Estrone (E1):
Progesteron: 0,30 below 0,20 (50% over range which means 5AR deficiency possible)
SHBG: 18,5 13-71
Albumin: did not do it
ACTH: did not do it
PSA: low
Androstendion: 2,5 0,8-2,8
Androstenediol glucuronide (Adiol-G) – measures 5AR activity (not evaliable in my country)
Androsterone glucuronide: not available
TSH, Free T3, Free T4 : OK
CBC or FBC (Complete Blood Count/Full Blood Count): OK
LFT (Liver Function Test - AST, ALT, etc.)

ALAT: 69,1 NORMAL RANGE <45

ASPAT: 37 NORMAL RANGE <35

Billubirine: 0,70 0,3-1,2

I am sure that I have 5 alfa reductase defficiency. Progesteron which is extremely elevated shows it. This is another and I think easier way to find out what is going on with your 5AR. I also assume that my testosteron is also elevated due to 5AR deficiency. I suspect that because it does not corelate with generaly low LH, FSH.

Lack of conversion via 5AR elevated both Progesteron and T. If you know where I can do my DHT, Adiol-G test in europe please do inform me.

I feel like s***it.

#2

[b]ALAT: 69,1 (NORMAL RANGE <45)

ASPAT: 37 (NORMAL RANGE <35) [/b]

I think you should get further liver tests done, or press your doc why he does not think the above are worthy of further investigation, especially after taking a drug which is KNOWN to be metabolized by the liver.

Your results are above range, especially ALT. Both Finasteride and Dutasteride are metabolized extensively in the liver’s P450 Cytochrome system, and have been known to raise liver enzymes/are not advised for use in people with liver problems.

Some other tests to do: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_function_tests

Considering the following, I’d followup on it.

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=182
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1024
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=600 (note mention of C19/C21 hepatic steroid metabolism straight from Merck themselves)
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=590 (note the mention that Merck claims no induction of P450 system)
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=658 (note mentions of hepatic metabolism of CYP19 and CYP21)

Other guys’ experiences:
keratin.net/forums/viewtopic … sc&start=0

#3

First I was diagnosed with elevated AST, ALT.

Then I visited a doctor who directed me to do the further tests.

I did ultrasoud and I am diagnosed with a fatty liver, that causes my hormonal imbalance.

Liver damage causes problems with imbalanced hormons mostly progesteron.

My liver doctor considered Finasteride/Dutasteride as a rat poison.

He told me that it may take long to recover and I should avoid everything that I am allergic to right now.

I also have a problem with food digestion due to the liver problems. I was also tested for cholesterol and it is bed too, plus I have a sugar imblance beeing too low in the morning and high after meal.

Test your liver because it is the source of the most of your problems.

#4

See, after all your ramblings about the cause being 5AR, adrenal fatigue, progesterone, and on and on, the cause of your problems is really your liver. After weeks of writing on here and trying to guess at the problem you went to the doctor and got a correct diagnosis. This doesn’t mean we all have this problem but it could be for some of us on here. I wish you good luck. Please post about your treatment and progress so that the people with fatty liver can learn from your experience.

EVERYONE, the only way to get to the bottom of what’s wrong with you is to get all the blood tests done that are recommended on this site. Don’t self-diagnose cause you are just wasting precious time and energy getting worked up about potentially the wrong thing instead of getting the treatment you need.

#5

Majkellos,

What did your doc recommend as therapy for your liver? Any cleansing / enema type things? Supplements? Medication? I think this is a major player in everything, and definitely explains the changes in metabolism and the stingy nature of many of these imbalances.

I would imagine that this can heal when cleared of toxins and treated correctly. Maybe we have to do coffee enemas for 6 months? Whatever it takes we should do. BTW, doing a full cleansing of your colon and liver is a positive thing for anybody, and even if you don’t think you have a liver issue, it could still be worth your time.

J

#6

Nothing special Essentialle forte, Hepatil and I should not eat huge amounts, just a tiny portion more times a day.

I am realy happy to know what is the source of this condition. Liver is deffinetely a very important and complicated organ. Many hormons are metabolised there and it may cause a major imbalance if not working correctly.

#7

So did he say your liver will naturally “heal” itself with time? If so how long? And what will the implications be for your hormonal issues?

I’m assuming you asked him these questions.

#8

I was diagnosed with fatty liver (lipomatosis).

I also had blood lipidogram done. I have elevated cholesterol and general imbalance in sugar. This might be due to the diabetes that I may have, but is has to be consulted with the liver doctor.

There is a variety of possibilities/

I may have a fatty liver caused by propecia/dutasteride abuse. Plus the disaster in my metabolism due to the abuse of these drugs. You obviosly have to realize that fatty liver after estrogen-like drug abuse (fina/dut and many more… also Clomid) is something very common.

I also might have had diabetes before and these drugs only exagerated these diabetes symptoms.

This requires further tests. I did not see my major liver doctor. I got the primary feed back from the doctor who did the ultrasound for me.

He diagnosed the fatty liver but did not make to much comments on my blood work that I informed him about.

He said that there are variety of conditions connected with lipomatosis and it requires to be tested further by my liver doctor.

My liver problems are pretty clear, I just wonder why i did not start all my tests from this point, because I had a disaster on my face (looking like a crash in metabolism), just before I visited my endo first.

The good point is that a fatty liver is possible to cure providing good diet and life style. The general problem for the fatty liver is that a heathy cells are covered with a fat from glucose and cholesterol and they cannot work as they should and cannot reproduct themselfs as they should.

I assume this might have a huge impact on progesteron levels which is not metabolised properly via liver cells.

I am booking a visit with my liver doctor tomorrow and will report the results of this visit as soon as possible.

PS: It is really important not to self-diagnose yourself like I did before. It is also something sick, that I am sure, there are many members here who spend thousand of useless Bucks $$$ on a useless endo doctors, as their primary problem is more associated with different conditions then the hormons itself. I do not expect them to be honestly informed on this matter by their endo doctors, due to the same silly $$$.

#9

majkellos: Maybe you should investigate the chance of diabetes further if you are experiencing ED-issues, as I have understood that ED is very common with that disease. I hope your condition improves, good luck!

#10

Yes. This is just the begining of the story for me, and all these money that I spent on endos and urologists were useless. I just wonder why i did not check my liver first, because the thing that was pretty obviouse in my case was a digestion disorder and allergy to even a cup of coffee.

I will report what are the results. I think I may be diabetes:(

#11

Yesterday I was diagosed with Chlamydia Pneumoniae. It was diagosed by IGG test (5 times over the range). IGM results came negative, but IGG shows cleary that I can get a lingering inflamation from Chlamydia Pneumoniae. I just booked an appointment with a specialised doc.

Last week I was diagnosed with liver lipomathosis and this week I also know of the presence of chlamydia pneumoniae. It is really good not to diagnose yourself as you clearly see.

#12

Did you have unprotected sex in the past?

#13

I was so horny till 2005 that I had some unprotected sex events, but I would say, there was only a few…

Chlamydia pneumoniae is rather not associated with sex, like the other trachomatis type.

There are many bed sides which can occure due to pneumoniae, including those related to the liver disorder.

#14

Isn’t that a kind of a lung disease? Can you even get it from sex?

#15

No. It might affect lung but there is many, many other options. It may even affect prostate…etc.

I personaly did this test due to the brain fog and the pain in my ears.

Ch.P. is associated with any kind of a contact with other human being.

#16

Chlamydia pneumonia is similar to Mycoplasma pneumonia (walking pneumonia).

Are you taking any antibiotics for it?

#17

I am sheduled for 14th of march to visit this specialist.

Chlamydia pneumoniae is known to cause intracellular damage. It has to be treated with antibiotics. I will report what kind of regimen I have right after my appointment.

#18

I already visited doctors who take care of my liver, pneumoniae, diabetes. The diagnosis is:

Liver - little signs of lipomathosis does not indicate anything wrong there. It is typical for the guy being 30 years old.

Pneumoniae - IGG (even 4 times above the range) is the sign that I have been going through pneumoniae in the past, but means nothing for me today, because it is not active. Most people have IGG result above the range. (I have this feedback from my liver doctor but will confirm it with Pneumoniae specialist)

Diabetes - my morning insuline (below the range) means nothing. Other results, 2 hours after meal insuline, glucose are completely normal. Cholesterol is something to care of but nothing abnormal two. I do not have any problems in this department too.

#19

Already got my bacterial/peptites panel back.

I am completely clean. Not a single bacteria or peptite was found. Nothing abnormal.

It does not say it is not a leaky gut, but deffinetely not candida on its own.

#20

I will try to make it short and clear to all of you.

You know my story which is available in the members story section (Majkellos).

I made every possible test and scan to know perfectly my medical condition. I visited almost every type of doctors. From urologists through endocrynologists to neorologists. I took all my blood work and other medical tests and analized it with these doctors. No one had any answer and most of them were adressing my condition to the psychiatric problem concluding it is all in my head.

Unfortunetely not the one I visited a few days ago.

The doctor focused on Chlamydia Pneumoniae tests, monocytes, densytometry, blood sugar, cholesterol, liver tests.

My Ch pn tests were 5 times over the range in the IGG class.

He told me how I feel before I had a chance to explain it to him.

He started with Chronic Fatigue Syndrom (Fibromialgia), Adrenal fatigue, Brain Fog, Prostatitis, Neurological disfunctions, Anxiety, Vision problems + sensitivity to light, infertility, bone pain, getting stiffen, heart pain and sleep disfunctions due to the pneumoniae deep sleep interuption.

He asked me about allergies and digestive disorders due to the fact that Chlamydia Pneumoniae will fuck up your immune system and after a few years you will get systemic fungal infection obviously which will fuck your libido and hormonal balance further.

He asked me some other questions and diagnosed that I was infected with pneumoniae about 5 years ago (5 years ago had prostatitis without defined reason!!!) and developed extensive fungal infection within past 2 years. Doctor told me that getting cured from this point will be difficult but I will be healthy within 1 up to 2 years.

First I have to fight Candida and it will take about 6 months to treat to the point that he will be allowed to treat Ch. Pneumoniae with variety of antibiotics using “Wheldon treatment protocol”.

The point is that I will not manage to fight fungal infection by itself, using proper diet and vitamis because my immune system is permanently fucked by pneumoniae. So now we adress the treatment to strengthen the immune system as much as we can to reduce fungal infection up to the point that i will be able to start Wheldon protocol plus some other american treatment protocols.

From that point pneumoniae treatment will take at least 6 months. I will be taking 3 different antibiotics at the same time to fight 3 Pneumoniae stages. The hardest thing is to fight pneumoniae within the central nervous system. After six months i will be repeating antibiotics within some other periods.

I am so f****n’ impressed about this doctor. The most knowledgeble that I have ever seen.

PS: About elevated progesteron. Doctor said that it is pretty common that woman with Chronic Pneumoniae have menstrual problems and often miscarry babies, which is mostly due to the hormonal imbalance that pneumoniae provides. He said that progesteron is very important in pregnency and pneumoniae propably causes progesteron imbalance to cause woman slink.

This is the last of my posts here. I wish you all a good luck, knowledgeble doctors. Hope you will take your chance to get pneumoniae full panel.

Here is “the big picture” for my case.