Low dose testosterone without HCG

Nice things are going good for you. I have high bioavailable test (700) but also very high estradiol (75). I need to get my estrogen down, but I’m worried about arimidex side effects.

yes arimidex is hard to use. I ended up with sore joints. They are still a bit sore. I am going to try some aromasin next.

The test has not affected my libido. I was hoping it would. I will request the blood tests that I got done the other day tomorrow. I am very curious to see them.

This morning I went for a long walk before I ate. I think I may start doing about 20 mins exercise in the morning. Having high blood glucose is really bad for your health. The benefits of exercise are largely due to increased insulin snsitivity I think.

It is 5:39pm, I ate a couple hours ago and blood glucose is 5.4. Feeling hungry now.

A pimple/boil could be starting to appear on my butt. Goto wait and see what happens with that now Im on a higher dose.

I was thinking back to the days I got really good nocternal errections since I started this log. I am pretty sure both days were the days I took GABA. What also made me think this is that I would get really hard nocternal wood like old days then the next day nothing.

Last night I took 1 gram of GABA before sleep. My gaba has %100 RDI Vit b6 per 500MG too.

This morning I woke up at 6:30 AM with a rock hard wood that would not go down.

I found other people are experiencing this:

musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?13256-So-what-causes-wood-in-the-morning

This may be a good thing for some, nocturnal erections must serve some purpose. Possibly to keep the penis healthy.

My digestion was a bit better today. Not sure why. When I went to the toilet there were a couple of logs, often there is just a pile of mush since taking finasteride. But I know this can be improved. It improved when I took my first big hit of coffee I felt really pepped up that day. Next day digestion was much better. Progesterone and preg also help it. It seems that I wake up in the morning and my body just gets rid of eveything in there regardless of if its digested or not. On the rare occasion that I need to go for the second time in say the afternoon, often a prefect log comes out. Sorry for the graphic details.

Still no signs of libido.

Yesterday I did a big walk in the morning. Today I started doing 10 mins intense exercise after I wake up. I hope this will reduce my blood sugar in the day. I read a study that said exercises increases insulin sensitivity for 16 hours. So I will exercise 2 times per day. In the AM short and intense compound exercises with lighter weights and more reps to get the heart beat really racing. And at nigh some standard weight lifting and a walk.

Here are my results back from when I was on 32.5 mg test E3D

LH * <0.5 U/L ( 2.0 - 10.0 )
Oestradiol 112 pmol/L ( <160 )
Testosterone 27.1 nmol/L ( 11.5 - 32.0 )
SHBG 38 nmol/L ( 15 - 50 )
Free Androgen Index 71.3 % ( 15 - 100 )
DHEAS 7.5 umol/L ( 2.5 - 13.0 )

Albumin 47 g/L ( 39 - 50 )
Calculated Free Testosterone 540 pmol/L ( 260 - 740 )

This lab changed the way does free test before they did an actual test now it seem it is calculated. Before I was always low. My SHBG which has been stable for years has climbed up 5 points. Despite my TT being at the top of the range. Compared to my last test which was before I took anything my estradiol was 112 (<150) This was at a different lab.

I do not really know what to think of this result? I have since upped my test from 32.5 to 45mg E3D. Today I did my second injection of 45mg. Feeling a little tired at the moment. I did some exercise this morning but that did not really make me hungry.

It looks like 45MG E3D is going to be too much.

I am not sure what to do now… :neutral_face: The only time I got my libido back was on arimidex. I guess I have no choice but to go back to that? Maybe I will wait till my next test dose and take .2mg of arimidex.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6144

Blood work updated.

Any ideas?

After looking over my results and thinking about them. My total T was high but calculated free T middle of the range SHBG has moved up. Estrogen can cause it to move up. Androgens cause it too move down. Arimidex fixed my libido before. I took 0.2mg of arimidex today.

When my estradiol number is converted to the US measurement it is about 30. A lot of people will say this is too high, and it should reduced to 20. I do not know how valid this is. But T alone does not seem to be giving me any libido.

So I will see what happens. I will not take arimidex again for at least 3 days.

Morning wood was bit better today on the arimidex. But I felt my sleep wasnt good. Kinda had that feeling waking up where you feel like a wreak. Digestion no better. No libido. Appetite not good. Damn I want my appetite back that I got at the start of the log.

Last night I took blood sugar it was 6.1 was not hungry.

Just took it then, and it was 5.7. I feel a bit hungry now.

Started feeling a bit better in my head today in the afternoon. Kind of feel clear and relaxed. Not sure how to describe it. But feel like my mood is good. Also my scrotum seems a lot less red.

Perhaps its the arimidex kicking in. I wonder how long estrogen takes to clear out of the receptors.

Ate my dinner feel good. Dont feel like my stomach is over bloated. I think I am noticing some good changes.

Im very sure I am feeling better. Feel hungry for my meals. Do not think I could skip any meals.

Vincent just curious, but you seem to post many times throughout the day in this thread. Perhaps it would be better to see how you do on a week to week basis so you can better gauge longterm effects? It would also provide a more concise way to consume the information you are posting. Just a suggestion.

Hi Mew,

I do not think so. I think pretty much every thing I have logged here is relevant, It really helps me to understand how I am feeling and what I am going though now I am manipulating my hormones. I post these thinks as I feel these things. When I look back on things I can not really remember how my appetite was or morning wood and so forth. When I log here it is all kind of set in stone. I can read through later and see exactly how I felt on the days. If you do not want me to post many times a day. I would be happy to keep a journal on my computer and upload it once in a while. Of course I do not plan on doing this forever. But since starting the testosterone major changes have occurred and I would like to keep people updated here.

I wish I logged my recovery on arimidex here in more detail because it was many months ago and it is hard for me to remember exactly what happened then. If I logged it with more details at the time I could look back upon it and know exactly where I was.

ok good news.

Woke up with morning wood. Not hard like a rock but pretty reasonable it did not go down for a matter of minutes. When I am on nothing I may have one but it will go down very quickly. I woke up and still needed to go to the toilet. But for the first time in ages… what came out was well formed logs! Not a mush! This is a real change for me!

I tested blood sugar it is 5.7 still seems high.

As for libido not there yet.

Yesterday I mentioned that I felt bad when I got out of bed. Today I felt good. I woke up early natrually, feeling refreshed. Yesterday when I felt bad I had drunk 2 beers at night before I slept. Usually I do not drink. Could have been that.

On the issue of 3adiolg. A female friend of mine seems to stay on her birth control pill permanently because she says it reduces her acne and facial oil. So this must be reducing the effect of androgens on her body by increasing SBHG and binding to the androgen receptor?

Felt pretty good today. Exercised 2 times + a walk. Good amount of energy even though I woke up early in the morning ( feeling refreshed). Appetite has been pretty good. Not amazing but pretty good. Scrotum more red than yesterday and noticing the odd twitch.

Could not sleep last night. Took some gaba. Sleep was not that great. Did not have any crazy nocternal wood like I had before but I had pretty good morning wood.

Noticed a pimple coming up on my butt cheak yesterday. These seem to have started when I upped T dose to 45 mg. In light of blood tests I think 30 - 37.5mg should keep total T at top of the range. And will need to use some arimidex to reduces SHBG and free up more T.

Got a bit if a pain in my sholder. I have been worried about the way arimidex works. Could it lower estrogen too much in some areas and not enough in other areas?

Will inject today. Probably about 35mg. And take .2mg arimidex.

Digestion was better than normal but not as good as the other day. Scrotum red. I guess E is 2 high.

Injected 37.5 mg. I will need to have my test at 32nmol/L and e of 77 which should bring my SHBG to 32 as it did on trans-dermal T. This should bring my calculated free to top of the range. Had a spontaneous erection not long ago.