long term antibiotic use?

[golf]

@martinM

@golf

@martinM

Despite some success, long term use of antibiotics feels wrong, does it not?

did you read any of the websites explaining the theory behind it?
trying all the other medications, trt, arimidex, supplements etc don’t exactly feel “right”
and, we have tried just about everything else - so if this helps then i dont personally see an issue.

again, none of the users here have used benicar for over 6 months, so not sure what would happen with it.

Yes. Reduce inflammation by taking antibiotics which takes the burden off the bodies immune system. What worries me is killing off necessary bacteria through long term antibiotic use or other side effects such as ibs, joint pain, or photo sensitivity.

I’m not denying it has caused some improvements just bringing up the question.

photosensitivty is certainly a concern, but this same protocol is actually a treatment for IBS and joint pain (also inflammatory)
mpkb.org/home/diseases/ibs
mpkb.org/home/diseases/rheumatoid_arthritis

and another big symptom:
(brain fog) mpkb.org/home/symptoms/neurological/cognitive

[bostonusa2009]

@golf

Though i am really looking forward to the results of Awor’s testing - i thought i’d mention this…

I know that people have felt better from using things that reduce inflammation, such as dexamethasone, and have also felt better by using antibiotics or nsaids (both which have anti-inflammatory properties) but has anyone used antibiotics for a long period of time - 6months or longer?

Without going into a huge amount of detail i feel that perhaps we are suffering from a chronic inflammatory condition, even an autoimmune response, triggered by the drug - not only in the prostate but body-wide. Their is an entire treatment based on vitamin d treatment and chronic inflammation which is successful in a variety of other inflammatory diseases: mpkb.org/home/patients/protocol_overview

another links on the topic:
wehelpwhathurts.homestead.com/immunoinflammatory.html

Golf,

Thanks for posting. This is a theory that seems to make sense logically. It does answer some questions.

Avoidance of vitamin D
Main article: Vitamin D in food
The vitamin D derived from food and supplements is converted into 25-hydroxyvitamin D, the form of vitamin D which dysregulates the Vitamin D Receptor, preventing the innate immune system from functioning properly. Such dysregulation counteracts the effects of olmesartan (Benicar). A 25-D level of under 12 ng/ml allows the immune system to function properly.

This makes sense, but I feel better taking the Vit D, than not taking it. I also had pain in my knees frequently before taking the Vit D. Is this more of a statement of what should be done simply when on Benicar or anyone who has this supposed problem should avoid Vit D all together?

Patients on the Marshall Protocol (MP) are required to avoid all ingested forms of vitamin D.

A number of foods contain vitamin D, either naturally or because it has been added during processing. It is important to read labels. However, sometimes a label will not state that a food is supplemented with vitamin D. In such cases, the only real way for a MP patient to determine whether a food has vitamin D is to test his/her 25-D level. A 25-D level of 12 ng/ml or less indicates successful avoidance of ingested vitamin D.

Immunopathology
Main article: Immunopathology
Related articles: Managing immunopathology, Science behind immunopathology
Immunopathology is what patients experience when they fight an infection. In the context of the Marshall Protocol, immunopathology refers to an increase in one’s present symptoms of inflammation, or a return of previous inflammatory symptoms. This is caused by cytokines and endotoxins being released from dying bacteria. Occasionally, immunopathology will consist of a new symptom or abnormal lab value due to the occurrence of subclinical inflammation that has been revealed by the Marshall Protocol (MP). Immunopathology is a necessary part of recovery for most patients. The amount of immunopathology a patient experiences on the Marshall Protocol (MP) is correlated with disease severity. Patients who are less sick will have comparatively less strong immunopathology.

Immunopathology is sometimes used synonymously with “herx” or the “Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.”

Note that three forms of immunopathology are particularly life-threatening and should be handled with an abundance of caution: cardiac immunopathology, neurological immunopathology, and respiratory immunopathology.

This is explains the ups and downs that most seems to feel.

[toadstool]

@bostonusa2009

@golf

Though i am really looking forward to the results of Awor’s testing - i thought i’d mention this…

I know that people have felt better from using things that reduce inflammation, such as dexamethasone, and have also felt better by using antibiotics or nsaids (both which have anti-inflammatory properties) but has anyone used antibiotics for a long period of time - 6months or longer?

Without going into a huge amount of detail i feel that perhaps we are suffering from a chronic inflammatory condition, even an autoimmune response, triggered by the drug - not only in the prostate but body-wide. Their is an entire treatment based on vitamin d treatment and chronic inflammation which is successful in a variety of other inflammatory diseases: mpkb.org/home/patients/protocol_overview

another links on the topic:
wehelpwhathurts.homestead.com/immunoinflammatory.html

Golf,

Thanks for posting. This is a theory that seems to make sense logically. It does answer some questions.

Avoidance of vitamin D
Main article: Vitamin D in food
The vitamin D derived from food and supplements is converted into 25-hydroxyvitamin D, the form of vitamin D which dysregulates the Vitamin D Receptor, preventing the innate immune system from functioning properly. Such dysregulation counteracts the effects of olmesartan (Benicar). A 25-D level of under 12 ng/ml allows the immune system to function properly.

This makes sense, but I feel better taking the Vit D, than not taking it. I also had pain in my knees frequently before taking the Vit D. Is this more of a statement of what should be done simply when on Benicar or anyone who has this supposed problem should avoid Vit D all together?

Patients on the Marshall Protocol (MP) are required to avoid all ingested forms of vitamin D.

A number of foods contain vitamin D, either naturally or because it has been added during processing. It is important to read labels. However, sometimes a label will not state that a food is supplemented with vitamin D. In such cases, the only real way for a MP patient to determine whether a food has vitamin D is to test his/her 25-D level. A 25-D level of 12 ng/ml or less indicates successful avoidance of ingested vitamin D.

Immunopathology
Main article: Immunopathology
Related articles: Managing immunopathology, Science behind immunopathology
Immunopathology is what patients experience when they fight an infection. In the context of the Marshall Protocol, immunopathology refers to an increase in one’s present symptoms of inflammation, or a return of previous inflammatory symptoms. This is caused by cytokines and endotoxins being released from dying bacteria. Occasionally, immunopathology will consist of a new symptom or abnormal lab value due to the occurrence of subclinical inflammation that has been revealed by the Marshall Protocol (MP). Immunopathology is a necessary part of recovery for most patients. The amount of immunopathology a patient experiences on the Marshall Protocol (MP) is correlated with disease severity. Patients who are less sick will have comparatively less strong immunopathology.

Immunopathology is sometimes used synonymously with “herx” or the “Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction.”

Note that three forms of immunopathology are particularly life-threatening and should be handled with an abundance of caution: cardiac immunopathology, neurological immunopathology, and respiratory immunopathology.

This is explains the ups and downs that most seems to feel.

I think its because benicar makes you photosensitive.