For those of you doing a keto/carnivore diet plus using things like BHB and butyrate, how long did you see results after beginning this change? I’ve been keto since January 1 and also supplementing with vitamin C and sodium BHB and I’m not seeing a difference other than low energy and feeling nauseous a lot. Obviously it probably takes time to get some real benefits but I’m wondering if I’m someone who just doesn’t respond well to this or if things will begin to look up after a month or so.
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I’m wondering the same thing. Been on keto since December 27th and I don’t feel much different other than I had keto flu for a few days. I did take exogenous ketones for the first week or so, so maybe that slowed my body from producing endogenous ketones tho
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I’ve also noticed more mood swings and worse depression but some people also say it’s because of sugar craving
yeah sugar is definitely addicting and just stopping it suddenly gives you withdrawals. Plus when you stop eating carbs you get “keto flu” adjusting to ketones instead of glucose. I figured it would happen much faster than it’s taken tho
I remember being nauseous a lot as well in the beginning. It’s not an easy diet, but it’s worst it in my opinion. It must must have taken 3-6 months to get fully adapted but I stopped feeling nauseous may be 6 weeks in.
11 days in the diet, you’re still adapting to it. You may actually feel worst. I remember starting being Ok with the diet after a month.
I’m in my 20th month and although I can eat carbs with no problem, there’s to much advantages to this diet for me to stop…
The results of the diet were as follow:
Most neurological symptoms except insomnia went away within a week or were greatly diminished. Headaches disappeared and didn’t come back since I’m on this diet, digestion problems went away within 2 weeks.
After 2 months, energy came back, neurological sides were gone or mild except insomnia, most physical symptoms disappeared, burning eyes, and burning lips were less severe. Sexual sides improved 30% but my balls were still hurting (like all the time).
After 4 months all symptoms further improved as I started exercising, taking amino acid, vitamins and mineral supplements. Sexual symptoms improved to 60%, my balls were still hurting but less.
After 6 months, sexual symptom were coming and going. I could cheat and eat carbs (in limited qty) and I wouldn’t get anxiety. My balls were hurting a lot less and less often.
After 9 months, my balls stopped hurting most of the time. all neurological symptoms were gone except insomnia., sex was at 90%.
After 13 months of diet and 2 fasts, I can eat limited carbs, not everyday, without ill effects. The only symptoms remaining is insomnia, although it greatly improved, some dry lips but it’s mild and sometimes, for a short time my eyes would burn (like a minute or two). Sexual sides are all gone, my balls are not hurting anymore, sensitivity is back 100%, sex drive is not as high but since I’m really looking at the girls on the street, I think it’s because while I lost 20 kilos, my wife gained 20. Being fit and eating healthy, and seeing her stuff herself with carbs and eat 3000 calories a day while working in front of a computer, I think my lower sex drive just applies to her. Lol.
I remain sensitive to some food as it can disrupt my sleep. But I think you can see the improvements
look like an upward curve. I believe if I continue this path, the remaining symptoms will disappear within a year or two although I have no proof of that nor I have any proof that they won’t come back if I stop the diet, exercise and supplement. But I have good hope.
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Ozeph, before this protocol, could you have sex without cialis? How bad was your ED?
Forgive me for insisting on this. The anxiety of living with a dead penis is so big that I want to have comparison parameters anytime, to know if one day I can recover or if I will be forever like this.
At first, I was prescribed Alprazolam and was having easy erections and was always horny. Then I got accustomed to Alprazolam and could no longer sleep with it so my doctor switched to Clonazepam. That’s when the sexual problems started.
I experienced zero sex drive for the first time since I remember having a sex drive and a strong lack of sensibility. As if sexual contact was not sexual (like touching my elbow or some other non sexual part of my body).
I lost nocturnal erection and I don’t know if I could get an erection with stimulation. I didn’t try because I had zero sex drive, was depressed and had severe anxiety. I couldn’t care less about sex. I was thinking about ending my life all the time so sex was not on my priority list, if you know what I mean.
For the same reasons, I didn’t try cialis.
With the diet, nocturnal erections eventually came back. (and so did the rest)
Anxiety and depression are gone ! I’m really happy !
If you try, I sincerely wish it has the same effect on you.
I wish you the best.
Ozeph.
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by remaining symptoms do you mean just insomnia or is there anything else?
I get dry eyes once in a while as well as dry lips. Not much of an issue.
Sex drive could improve as well although it’s adequate for a normal sex life. just a bit lower than 2 years ago before I crashed.
If for some reason I have a bad night of sleep, I will be brain fogged and demotivated the next day, which makes it hard to accomplish anything. It happens once every 2 weeks, usually because I cheated on the diet, ate late or ate something hard to digest. If I take my sleeping pills on a full stomach, it’s hard to sleep well.
On a good night, I will sleep 5-6 hours and wake up and toss another 2-3 while having dreams and sometimes deep sleep in between wake ups. It’s not the shallow, dreaming zombie state I once had. It’s deeper sleep, but waking up often in between. After that I can have a normal day.
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Read most of your post’s Ozeph inspiring! When you say sexual side you mean libido too? How far into the diet would you say the current sexdrive came? was it sudden or slowly getting better did you notice it even before this diet?
It slowly got better. I have been cycling Tribulus Terrestris 500mg twice a day, Horny Goat Weed 500mg Twice a day and Pine Pollen 750mg twice a day. I change every week. I’m sure it contributed.
The diet and fasting (and exercise) even out things and got me overall better but the sexual sides are more persistent than the rest. I could say around 9 months into the diet my sex life was back although with some mishaps at first. It got better from there.
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I’ve been temporarily transitioning off keto since Sunday because I’m going on vacation next week and I wanted to eat what I want. When I return though I’ll be going back keto. I did it strictly for 3 weeks and didn’t notice much except for having less energy. Some days I maybe felt more clear headed. Maybe I didn’t quite adapt to it yet
I’ve been asked a pertinent question via pm by Colombian and I will repost it here for those interrested.
Hi Colombian
Quite simple. For breakfast, I have decaf coffee (with water) with MCT oil and ghee. They are two saturated fat and could be substituted by extra virgin coconut oil, if you can stomach it, and/or simply with unsalted butter. You just heat up the mixture until the ghee/butter melts and pass through a blender or whisk together. It has zero carbs, zero protein, only saturated fat and it keeps me full for 4-5 hours then I get hungry.
I make sure I stay hungry for a while. I’m taking lunch and dinner within a window of 2-4 hours. For lunch I may have 200 gr of fat pork chop (or Boston butt) cooked in 2-3 tbsp of ghee, with salt, thyme and lemon juice. I scrape the pan with a silicone spatula and lick my plate to get all the fat. 2-3 hours later, I will have a rib eye steak or a tenderloin with salt and 2-3 tbsp of ghee. Same for the ghee, I scrape the pan with a silicone spatula and lick my plate to get all the fat.
I usually have those 2 meals between noon and 4 pm, or 2pm to 4pm. I don’t drink any liquids after 5 pm, if I get up to pee the night is over for me.
Just before sleep around 9:30 pm, I have 4 tbsp of dry oatmeal (long cooking rolled oat) put in a cup with just enough water to cover the oat. I microwave until it boils, mix it, let it cool down and eat before sleep (I brush my teeth right after. Sleeping with my mouth full of carbs would be inviting cavities)
This is 12 gr of low glycemic carbs. The sudden carbs pretty much knocks me down, lowering my cortisol and elevating insulin, and I get 5 hours of good sleep. I wake up around 3 am, have 1/4 tsp of inusitol with water (prepared before going to sleep) or 500 mg of chamomile extract, and I can continue sleeping the rest of the night, tossing around frequently, but with deep and light sleep in between, and dreams. This is not the dreaming zombie state when we barely sleep and are half awake, half dreaming. It’s deeper than that.
You can be ketogenic with less than 20 gr of carbs a day.
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Thanks so much for providing all this kind of detail on what you do. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have those kinds of sleep problems. What a torture. Your sleeping was basically always ok until stopping Propecia and now you semi-permanently can’t really sleep without all these efforts?
Thank you for your concern !
I took fin 20 years and started having insomnia 4 years before stopping and crashing. It became total insomnia after the crash and it’s the last incapacitating symptom I have. The rest (and it’s almost nothing) I can deal with and live a pretty normal life.
Sleeping is always a challenge and I was missing a day or two a week due to lack of sleep, it became once a week and is now one day lost every 2 weeks. It seems to improve but nights are still turbulent and nothing is to be taken for granted.
Insomnia appears to be a long persisting symptom for many, and so are the sexual sides. But than again, some have ALL their symptoms persisting for years. I crashed less than 2 years ago so I consider I’m progressing fast. Future will tell if I manage to get rid of insomnia…
thank you very much, you are a great person
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