Just want to be clear on what you’re taking along with this. You’re also taking testosterone, correct? And HCG as well? All at the same time? And how long are you doing this HGH protocol for?
Yes, I am taking testosterone, HCG and I have been taking the HGH protocol all along, but only 200mcg a day, and often didn't pay attention if it was on an empty stomach and would miss it a lot. Since PFS hit I started caring less about the HGH protocol, the last time I recovered for a couple weeks, I believe I was doing the same thing, using higher doses of this HGH protocol.
I do not know if it is a cure or a treatment, I need more time to declare those things, today I felt great, even better than pre PFS. I had some muscle twitches in my legs and I injected my second 300mcg dose of the HGH protocol and it just went away. Some things have not yet come back like pheromone scent under my arms, but last time I recovered it took a couple weeks for that to return. It started out as a weak scent and then got stronger and stronger to a healthy one.
Since I am bisexual I can detect healthy male scent vs unhealthy male scent, I know this sounds crazy, but studies have shown women are more attracted to the scent of guys with higher testosterone. I can detect that scent too in myself and other guys, I can describe it almost like a really expensive cologne to be honest. A bad or gross smell is unhealthy and often from guys who are in bad health, older, or overweight, or bad hormones.
I am very keen to all the effects of this disorder, but my sex drive has been through the roof, erections are ROCK hard, like sooo hard, I forgot how hard they used to be. I have been happy and joyful and all, I did not experience any form of joy with PFS. Since I am a scientist and this happened before, I am documenting EVERYTHING, I am currently duplicating Everything I did last week so that I can see the same results next week.
I want to add a small possibility into the mix, if you check my thread, this all started after I injected 30MG of Testosterone Propionate. It is a form of testosterone that releases A LOT of DHT and thus 5AR enzymic activity preceding the DHT release. At first I thought it was the Propionate inducing high levels of DHT which then allowed my body to utilize the testosterone in my system.
I have modified my theory though to the HGH protocol creating an environment that was able to reduce the testosterone to DHT. I believe the HGH protocol is repairing whatever PFS has damaged, but while doing so it seems to be replenishing whatever I need. We have already seen that HGH is linked to 5AR activity, and it does regenerate everything.
I have felt normal and amazing since I injected the testosterone propionate last week, but I do not believe that is why. However, if I have a relapse this week from my regular testosterone enanthate 0.5cc injection, then I will inject the same dose of Propionate and report back. I am pretty convinced it is the HGH protocol at this point, because the last time I was recovering for 2 weeks, I responded like this to testosterone enanthate. It is not unreasonable to conclude HGH is recovering me anyway, HGH heals and rebuilds everything, and I feel great.
I also want to add that I got ahold of a multi vitamin cocktail intramuscular injection, I got all this stuff before I started to go into remission, so I decided to use it anyway. Anyway the Vitamin cocktail injection is what my anti aging doctor prescribes, and I felt great. My theory is that PFS causes secondary vitamin deficiencies, the injection made me feel amazing. I have had a multi vitamin IV and I felt amazing for 2 days after that, since that was not practical, I looked for my own to inject.
So to narrow things down, I currently believe it is the HGH protocol alone which is responsible, I stopped everything and just did that till today when I restarted HCG and was time for my testosterone injection. Right now I am feeling great, it is the very sensations of life which PFS rob us of, I had no realized until they came back, what I had lost. So my fight to remain this way and my resolve could not be stronger, we must wait and see if I continue to remain recovered long term.
If this continues to work, it may be a treatment, or perhaps a cure that takes time, out of all the proposed cures, this one makes the most sense. I mean, I am not saying eating Asparagus will cure me, I am saying HGH will, and not just synthetic HGH, bare in mind this reawakens the Pituitary gland, it may awaken the AXIS or reset it. This is used for people who have become desensitized to synthetic HGH, and now is the standard HGH anti aging protocol.
It may explain why some recover and others do not, perhaps it has to do with HGH levels, though I have really upped those levels a lot so I don’t know. I will get blood work and everything is being documented, so that if this is a cure or a treatment, I can share it with others in detail.
UPDATE: I am still in remission, PFS symptoms gone, my body is producing 5AR enzymes again as my skin is becoming very oily. My muscles are solid and hard and increasing in size, I am so far responding normally to a testosterone injection. My sex drive and function is perfect, I believe I am on the path to a cure or a treatment. For the record, in all my experiments and experiences, this is the FIRST time, I have been able to completely reverse PFS with a drug consistently. I am not talking “feeling better,” I am talking PFS reversal, one forgets Joy, passion and pleasure. I had no idea all that was being repressed until it came back. I find myself in a period of wonder, wanting to get going again with life, but afraid of a relapse. I have decided that if this recovery is for good, I will make it my duty to make sure everyone knows of it here.
Thanks for the continued updates. Curious if you know of a good source for obtaining HCG?
You don’t want synthetic HGH or pure HGH, those cannot be regulated by your body and will desensitize you, that is old HGH therapy. Now they are using precursors which reawaken the pituitary gland which then gives off HGH pulses every time you inject the peptides. The idea is to have your own pituitary gland release your own HGH which then is regulated by your autonomic system. If there is too much, it is down regulated, So I posted instructions on page 11, I recommend CanadaPeptide.com, only because their prices are good and I have spoken to the owner and used them for years now.
It is easy to tell if it is good stuff as it makes you super super hungry the more potent it is, this stuff is medical grade as I had it prescribed to me by my anti-aging doctor and it was the same. In fact, this one is a little stronger I think. This therapy is amazing, with or without PFS, it reverses the aging process in many ways, it regenerates everything, cells, organs, restores collagen.
It will take a few months to really work, but you may notice it right away, I have no idea if it would reverse PFS right away on someone who just got on it. I have been on it for years and merely upped my dose. I just know that it takes a few months, sometimes 6 months for it to have the full effects, but maybe just the first effects are enough to counter PFS.
The dose is important, I was on a lower dose before and it did not happen, it only happened when I increased the dose and frequency. At this point I am convinced I have a cure or a treatment. I recommend you go on it, do it 2 to 3 times a day every day (at least 2 times) and you will recover. This stuff is recommended by even Dr Oz, all the celebrities are on it. It also restores sexual function, it does a lot of stuff. There are no negatives or downsides, it is very safe, that is why anti-aging doctors use it. You can google it, but I have reversed my PFS, it is still there, and I am not sure if this is a treatment or a eventually cure, but I will take having my symptoms reversed! Everything is back to normal, a little better than normal actually, I feel great.
Anyone who has experience with self injecting drugs willing to try justquitdut’s hgh method?
I can only try it if I get it from a doctor. Because of my job i would be risking to much taking hgh with out a prescription. I get randomly drug tested all the time with extended drug tests that test for everything.
Also I have zero experience with self injection.
Would love to try this though…
Someone should Try this asap.
I also don’t want to mask any potential recovery I get from my dhea and perdiscion treatment.
God for bid if even it ends up being a pretty good treatment for this syndrome than this would be amazing as it does not require hard to get and had to administer drugs.
In the mean time someone who does not get randomly drug tested at their job should step up and order it from justquitdut’s pharmacy.
When I’m up for going to more doctors I will try to get it prescribed and have it injected by a doctor.
Right now After getting banned from the best endocrinologists office in my area for trying to tell him about 5AR and how it relates to this syndrome I am to stressed to deal with doctors. I actually received written notification banning me from his office and I am still really pissed about it.
Also has anyone besides justquitdut have any luck with getting seen by a anti aging or hormone doctor?
Because I have not and really need to find one
Good info - thanks. But I’m asking about HCG, not HGH. I know you’ve written about it helping you, and I’ve seen others have as well. Is there a good way to get it?
5 alpha, don’t feel bad, that happened to me as well, forget mentioning 5 alpha reductase or PFS, go to an anti-aging doctor and get on HGH therapy. You don’t even need to go on HRT because your testosterone is good from what you told me. The shit is curing me, I have already been down the Protodioscin/DHEA road, it is just inducing more 5 AR enzymes which then help reduce some test to DHT and make you feel good.
The activities of the 3 enzymes are what we are lacking and what needs to occur with the enzymes, those treatments are not a cure and eating enough Asparagus becomes taxiing. The HGH precursor Protocol is nothing, you just inject it into the fat in your stomach or side with an insulin needle, it is nothing. I have responded to testosterone injections this week normally, so the protocol is reversing my PFS.
Until you get to an anti-aging doctor, DHEA will help by inducing 5AR enzymes which then will make you feel better for about 8 hours or so, and the Asparagus will also help for a similar reason, but the cure is in HGH.
HCG will only make you feel better if you have low testosterone, but also will induce a little 5AR enzyme release which will help reduce some testosterone to DHT. It is not a treatment or a cure, I have been down that road already, I have been on it, before, during and after the crash. Hormones help only because they fix low testosterone (which is a secondary problem) and when your body starts releasing more testosterone than you have 5 AR enzymes to reduce, you will experience a PFS “crash.” First I managed to control and manage the condition somewhat with hormones, and now I have managed to reverse it with HGH.
You have read my progress, I am only getting better every day, I have not had any signs of relapse, in another month I will be insistent on this therapy if I do not relapse.
as for finding stuff on the net, you can find anything, you just have to google enough, I can get anything online now.
I’m going on hGh for sure. I just need To get my ass to an anti aging doctor
I just googled “anti-aging doctor” and your city that you told me in PM, and there are a zillion (as to be expected). The reason I know so much about PFS and managed to figure it out and find a treatment and possible cure is because I have an intellect that is unique to most, I won’t go into detail, but my brain works differently than most people. That is why I come off a little eccentric in text, but when I focus my brain on something, I usually can do things others cannot.
I also have a background in anti-aging medicine, no one who has PFS here has, nor has anyone here tried HGH or HGH precursors. Anti-aging medicine is not normal medicine, it is “super-medicine,” it is designed to make the human body super, to make the old young, to prevent people from getting sick. To make the normal man stronger, to improve quality of life.
These protocols are used in high doses that normal medicine would be afraid of, but these are medical doctors, this is a field of medicine. If this field of medicine did not exist, we would not know of any safe way to take HGH for this purpose. Please understand that when I say “HGH,” I mean “HGH precursors,” because synthetic HGH is not safe, but your own HGH produced by your own pituitary gland is safe. It is regulated by your autonomic system, but it does things nothing else does. HGH regenerates cells, tissue, organs, it rebuilds collagen, it stops and reverses the aging process in many ways. Now we see HGH being linked to regulating 5AR activity and that aside, it stands to reason that it would fix whatever is broken.
So I believe the HGH therapy is doing two things, the first is that HGH regulates 5AR enzymic activity, I believe it is regulating my 5AR enzymic activity. The reason I was always doing better than most here was because I was always on this, but I took a much lower dose, I would also start doing less when I started to crash, it was the last thing I cared about doing. The only thing you notice from HGH precursors is you get really hungry. It is hard to notice the positive benefits till you stop and realize how much it was doing for you, energy, mood, injury healing, strength, endurance, skin, hair, nails.
Older patients used to report how their hair and skin and nails returned to like when they were in their 20s. It also causes you to grow new muscle cells, vs testosterone just increases muscle size, for this reason body builders like it. Now, synthetic HGH can be abused, but Precursor HGH has a limit, your body only uses what it needs and gets rid of the rest, so you aren’t left with any crazy HGH levels.
The second thing I believe HGH is doing is possibly regenerating whatever is damaged, that is something I do not know for sure, but it definitely would make sense. However, it has completely reversed PFS about 90%, I say 90% because everything is working perfect, the only thing that is taking time to return is my male sexual scent. It is starting to come back, like last time it started out being slight and would increase, I think it takes a couple weeks of 5 AR enzymes to pump through to get that back to normal.
When I start to feel a muscle spasm in my legs, it is only a slight tingle, it is usually when it is time for my next dose, I inject it and the faint remnant of spasm vanishes. I feel amazing, my muscles are hard as a rock again, I am pumped up, my hardens are like rock hard. Go find an anti-aging doctor, ask to go on Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6. After you get 1 script for it, you can buy it on the net after that and do it for yourself, the script would cover you at work.
You can get the whole mix online for $100, through a anti-aging or HRT doctor, it is a lot more, but 1 script will do to cover you at work. I started feeling the beginnings of a crash earlier as testosterone is peaking, the difficulty taking deep breaths, some muscle twitches, I injected the HGH protocol and it went away, within minutes… It is sad to know that PFS is still there (even though I have it repressed), but I believe the HGH is regenerating things and I will recover from it much faster.
I also found out HGH helps regrow hair from hair loss,get’s rid of your body fat too, HGH is why teenagers look so nice, levels drop a lot after like 21 or so. It is a shame so many here will never read this post or take me seriously, or try this, because they could reverse their PFS, it makes life livable again. We just need to get one more person to go on this therapy (as I am), if they start to recover too, then we have found it. This doesn’t mean we can’t still sue Merck, with all the damages done to us, but hell, if you guys all can get better too, might just save some lives.
JustQuitDut, thank you so much for your help. I am a new member and have never posted before but have been reading many threads on here looking for credible avenues of treatment. I just ordered the HGH protocol from Canada Peptides. I am hopeful. I just have a question for you concerning injection. I know in a previous post you mentioned that you inject in your stomach/stomach fat or side, but could you give me step by step explicit instructions on how to inject? That would be really helpful because I am a novice when it comes to injecting and want to make sure I do it right/don’t harm myself. Thank you so much for all of the posts you have made. It is incredibly selfless by you and I really appreciate your diligence. Your recent posts concerning HGH gave me a rush of joy because it is the first time I have really felt upbeat regarding a solution.
UPDATE: My testosterone is peaking now, just when I started feeling symptoms of a crash come on, I injected the Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6 and within 20 minutes the symptoms stopped and the crash never occurred. The symptoms I get are trouble taking deep breaths and muscle twitches in my legs, as soon as this slightly started I injected the HGH protocol. Yet again, it reversed, or in this case, prevented a crash.
The only frustrating thing is this protocol must be done on an empty stomach 2 hours after you eat and 30 minutes before you eat, or it doesn’t work. The effects of this HGH protocol are so amazing that I did not think I had PFS anymore, but it is there, the HGH is just reversing it (and hopefully curing it). Since people have recovered from PFS (on average after 4 years), it is my belief that HGH speeds up that recovery time.
There is also another theory, since the HGH precursor protocol works through reawakening the pituitary gland and axis, it might also be reactivating other things as well. Perhaps it is a combo, I do not know, but what I do know is that I have found a treatment/cure. 20 minutes later the deep breath symptom is completely gone and the muscle spasms completely gone. I can’t believe this, if only I had known this 5 fucking months ago!!!
If HGH regulates 5 AR activity, it stands to reason that PFS is a problem with the regulation of 5 AR enzyme activity. I do not believe that PFS is an problem with androgen receptors, as hard as that is to believe, it seems to be as I have theorized, simply a problem with production or regulation of 5AR activity. My Libido is amazing, erections rock hard, muscle mass full and strong, response to testosterone is normal. I have tried to lower the dose of the HGH protocol, but so far it seems that 300MCG 3 X a day is required, maybe 2X if test is lower. I am going to keep experimenting, perhaps in time I will need less of a dose as my body recovers more.
Your intellect is so unique that you could win the Nobel Prize… or you were able to convince yourself you had PFS when you didn’t. We have had quacks on here before saying they recovered from PFS by taking dutasteride, fasting, even flying to Greece to have weeks of prostate massage treatments.
You really have to wait an extended period of time for your problems to stabilize before you can claim any kind of actual improvement or benefit as some guys do tend to fluctuate over time. But damn, you must think very highly of yourself if you believe you have solved a medical problem in weeks that thousands of men have been trying to solve for years, some even with advanced doctorates and medical degrees and years of valuable experience.
Months, not weeks, I have been dealing with this for about 5 months now, I also have a medical background and a background in anti-aging medicine. I have PFS, I have tried everything, hormones, every kind of supplement, IV vitamins, multi vitamin injections, B12, numerous forms of testosterone.The list goes on, I suffered from a crash every week I injected test for HRT. It was horrible, I felt suicidal, my muscles shrunk, my libido was gone, things intermittently worked.
One day I decided to try high doses of an HGH precursor, I started feeling better right away, then when I injected testosterone, I started to crash, injected the HGH precursors and it reversed the crash. the HGH therapy is doing this, if I quit it, things will reverse bcd to PFS.
I still am not yet giving off male body oder, but everything is working PERFECT, muscles are huge and pumped, libido is great, mood, everything is great. The male scent is slowly returning I think, I find it interesting that you are trying to find a rational to proving me wrong. That is very sad, your conclusion is that I do not really have PFS vs HGH therapy reversing PFS? HGH therapy can regrow tendons, repair bone, muscle, tissue, athletes use it to recover quicker.
Why is it so unreasonable for you to believe that I have PFS and HGH therapy at higher doses is reversing it 90%. No one else has tried HGH therapy yet, maybe many guys with PFS end up at HRT doctors who recommend an HGH protocol which then in turns reverses the person’s PFS. I will give it a few months before I declare a cure/treatment, I have to find the lowest dose that works. When I started to lower the dose, PFS symptoms came back, so trust me man, this is working.
If you search the forum for “HGH”, you will find a lists of posts 23 pages long that have this term. You are certainly not the first to think of HGH, let alone experiment with it. I very briefly skimmed through the different experiences and saw some positive feedback, but not all positive. Maybe there is something to this, maybe not.
But this is an experimental, risky treatment and it is reckless to a degree you are hyping this treatment without more experience. Like I said, many guys on here have followed risky/unreasonable treatments because other guys have hyped on here. It also undermines your own credibility when you present the situation like you are so brilliant only you could have thought of trying HGH.
Frustrated, this is NOT an “experimental” or “risky” treatment, this is HGH precursors (which have never been mentioned or tried by anyone on this forum). I am not talking about synthetic HGH, this reawakens your own pituitary gland to produce your own HGH, it is extremely safe and it is used by all the anti-aging and HRT doctors for HGH therapy.
Tell me, what are the risks for HGH therapy using your own HGH regulated by your own autonomic system? The risks associated with HGH do not exist with Sermorelin/GHRP2/GHRP6, because this is not HGH but peptides that induce your own naturally. It has reversed my PFS, and my male body scent is starting to return finally, so I would say I am more than 90% in remission.
This could be working in 2 ways, one by resetting the HPTA axis and Pituitary Gland Axis, also by HGH regulating 5AR Enzymic activity, and also by HGH reversing whatever damage PFS caused. If this was a risky treatment, I would not be touting it so!!! It is not risky, it is safe, that is the point! It is not even a schedule drug, doctors can prescribe it off label for anything.
I have already proven it works, I have another friend on the internet with PFS (who wishes to remain anonymous unfortunately), but he also tried it and has started to recover as well. I just want this documented here to help others.
What you are talking about is very similar to the differences between taking clomiphene versus taking straight TRT to boost androgen levels. Clomiphene is a LH analog and stimulates T production in the testicles vs straight TRT which bypasses the body’s natural production and will decrease activity in the testicles. The former is preferred by some because you preserve the testicles, but the GENERAL RISKS OF TRT ARE STILL THERE.
By taking HGH precursors versus synthetic HGH, you will preserve the pituitary which will have some resilience anyway. You will still be exposed to the risks of HGH supplementation which are not well known at this point. Anti-aging medicine is considered to be quackery by many mainstream doctors, some of it is gaining validity, but the truth is it remains uncharted territory. Your background as the VP of marketing/sales/finance, whatever it is you did at some sketchy South Florida business, does not qualify you to give technical advice to downtrodden PFS patients.
Sure - report on what you are doing and your subjective belief about how it is working - but you sound like a flipping lunatic when you say your muscles grow/shrink over the course of a day, have found a magic bullet due to your unique intellect, and make other verifiable false claims due to your inexperience in living with this health condition.