Just a crazy thought

General Discussion
#1

Our system crashed several days after quitting, most people 2 weeks.
During these two weeks i was horny like hell, 10/10…
This suggests that somehow the upregulated receptors did not downregulate after quitting…and something bad happened when there was just too much androgenic action

Most people have tried to increase androgens and increase the action of the receptors with no success…
anyone tried supression? i am thinking as a last hope (if hcg then other routes do not work) how about i take something antiandrogenic to the extreme, so my body be lacking so much androgen that might spur the action by the receptors…

Anyone tried that? Some here have seen zero progress since quitting so i am not sure what there is to lose…

#2

It has nothing to do with quitting the drug. There are plenty of people here that had serious problems begin after just a few days of usage. Massive issues while on it that continue and progressively worsen over time. So the theory about quitting being the issue/trigger is not valid. At least not for some of us.

#3

i was one of the people who crashed while on the drug,i took propecia for around 3 year with next to nothing in terms of side effects,i even came off it 2 or 3 times for a few weeks with no ill effects etc but soon went back on when i noticed my hair falling again,it wasnt till i changed medication from propecia to fincar,made in india,that i suddenly felt like death,the fincar was 5mg pills which i was quartering so i was getting roughly 1,25mg instead of the 1mg propecia id been on,i think id only been on the fincar two weeks if that when i crashed hard,at first i thought id bought some counterfit medication that had damaged me in some way,id never heard of pfs etc,who knows what makes us crash,its a mystery…

#4

Interesting, My doctor thought he was helping me out by prescribing generic. Not sure where it came from. I got totally fucked in 24 days. I don’t like to call them side effects. Anything that lasts this long has to be permenent damage.

#5

i was on prescription propecia from the start for around three year then decided to buy fincar over the internet to save money,i know ive heard people say on here many times that propecia has a flat dose and wouldnt work any different if you took a little more,but how does that explain what happened to me???,or maybe the fincar was counterfit as in pure duds with no finasteride in them,maybe thats why i crashed???,time id taken a box and a half of fincar that would have been atleast 6 weeks,if they were duds that would have been 6 weeks or more without the fin in my system,i do still have the last half box,maybe i should get them analysed to set my mind at rest…

#6

Im just bobbing through life trying to be a good human being. But I know my life is really over. I just dont have the courage to kill myself. Soon though. Winter is approaching I feel depression sinking in.

#7

It’s been suggested before, and there’s a few drug options if you want to try. I think people haven’t found it worth the risk yet.

#8

Would you mind maybe not derailing threads constantly with your despair? It’s actually dangerous when you consider the situation people are in right after their crash. I speak from experience BTW, I had a pretty gnarly panic attack after reading through some of your posts whilst I was in the middle of my crash.

I’m also one of the guys who crashed on the drug. I used fincar and “real” propecia. I experienced disassociation and minor cognitive issues on both, switched back and forth between the two based on convenience, stopped and started based on convenience and finally crashed hard on my last run.
The mind boggles.

#9

To be honest the same thing has crossed my mind. In a way in makes sense… Kinda of like a water fast when we are trying to reboot are systems by not eating and giving are body a chance to use that extra energy to heal us that it now has from are digestive systems getting a break.

Your thought Is kind of like the same thing, deprive are bodies of androgens hoping it actes as a reboot to are endocrine systems and reawakens what ever is off whether that is 5ar enzymes or receptors that are “shut off” from are are abnormal reaction to DHT inhibitets.

Only thing is though sense my crash/PFS started for me I have taken saw palmetto at one point for two weeks at a low dose and got worse…

So if I was ever going to try anything like this my goal would be to eliminate Testosterone somehow…you never know…

But I wiuld Not take another DHT inhibiter as I already tried taking another DHT inhibiter (saw P) and got worse

#10

It has crossed my mind too, the human body is better at healing than we are, it adapts to everything and recovers from everything. Though, based on reports I have seen here and my own personal experiences, constantly hitting the system with androgenic agonists seems to be the key to getting better. The more 5AR induced the more it seems to stimulate the system back into working. I am not sure repressing it is a good idea, remember that we all got fucked up from taking a drug that repressed our androgenic system, not form one that induced it.
If you look at all the recovery stories, they are all from guys who took lots of pro-hormones or cycles of steroids and all types of stuff, same with me.

#11

justquitdut

why do you think our 5ar enzymes are missing? many of us have normal Testosterone and normal DHT values. so conversion of testo to dht is obviously not the problem.

#12

I believe It’s more complicated than that. Let’s say the DHT inhibiter caused are prostates for example to have less 5AR activity/expression in them, in other words are prostates now produce less DHT after are abnormal response/crash from a DHT inhibiter.

Well the fact that, that has happened would not reflect in are blood/DHT levels because the DHT can just be getting produced via 5ar activity that is taking place somewhere else in the body. Scientists still don’t even know of every possible place in are bodies 5AR activity takes place in.

But they do know that it deff takes place in the prostate and are entire reproductive systems for that matter. They also know that these are places in the body 5 alpha reductase type 2 inhibitets such as finastride and dutastride target.

Also as justquitdut’s theories explain we need all of the 5AR enzymes that we had prior to are crash to processs, regulate and produce are DHT to testosterone ratios/levels the way are bodies wanted to do on its own But now of course can’t because of missing 5AR enzymes.

So the key is to constantly try to upregulate 5AR activity just as justquitdut is telling everyone to do. Of course this is difficult to do considering the following:

  1. we have no way to measure 5 alpha reductase activity. (And no the 3abiliog or what ever the hell it’s called is not a way as many members once thought it was)

  2. we have no drugs that are “clinically proven” to induce 5Ar activity.

  3. and by the way we need to accomplish this goal of inducing 5Ar while maintaing health total and free testosterone levels the entire time.

Had the mission impossible song started going off in your head yet?

Ohh ya… Forgot to mention you will need to do all of this with out the help of a doctor. Forgot about that part for a sec.

But dont worry we are people who refuse to give up