Joe Rogan Podcast #1589 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

Definitely doing amazing. He may have had mild PFS or didn’t have it all. Who knows. I’d be curious what his regiment is too he never really gets into the details.

Anyone surprised he said he uses Clomid as part of the protocol?

I didn’t listen to the whole thing but it seems fairly reasonable to me. Acknowledges that PFS exists, I think he may be right about DHT not being directly responsible for muscle growth, and focuses more on disruption of 5AR on the neurosteroid side as being the cause of PFS vs. DHT.

I didn’t really bother to try to figure out the hormone based science for this ever because I believe its all too complex for our current scientific paradigm and mode of thinking. Our central nervous system is constantly and persistently rewiring itself as we get exposure to stimuli in our environment. Fin depletes neurosteroids that are critical to facilitate neuroplasticity process and it could be like a bomb goes off if certain environmental stimuli while taking finasteride. It’s why I think PFS and the others share similarities to PTSD which I think can heal without drugs but is very difficult to do so.

It would make it extremely difficult to find a clear and shared biomarker among PFS patients even if the human body is impaired and weakened in the same with as a result of taking fin.

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Im convinced now that our problem is HPA axis dysfunction, based on the recoveries that have happened with progesterone, mifepristone and so on, this video would compliment the hpa axis function also. Hpa axis dysfunction explains all the digestive issues, hormonal issues, brain issues. I will be searching for a specialist who deals with this in particular now.

I think it’s many things that are dysregulated, not even just HPTA axis. I wonder if alternative medicine or acupuncture could help. I recently did 8 sessions of acupuncture bc the sensory nerves in my lungs got really fucked up Post COVID (prob indirectly tied to dysregulation caused by PFS unfortunately) and the acupuncture did improve my erections randomly without trying.

I don’t know how that stuff works at all, but you can specifically ask for fertility or erectile treatment, and they place the needles customized to the specific treatment.

I did acupuncture a while ago for my lower back
Issue preventing me from playing hockey without pain
Idk if I buy if acupuncture really works
Not being negative. Maybe I just don’t understand enough about it

Just so tired of living with this in life

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It isn’t well understood from western science perspective, if you can say it is at all. But it’s been around for thousands of years and if it were completely useless, I think it would have died out a lot time ago. From our worldview, it is probably really difficult to know how to use it or what to ask for.

But there are some special acupuncture methods that treat fertility / sexual function issues. Might not have gotten the right needle placement if you were focused on back pain. Not very expensive and presumably very safe, so thought it was worth mentioning. If somebody goes to get acupuncture for something else (like lower back pain), might be worth it to mention the sexual issues to bc it can’t hurt so much.

Anybody on here still going to this money grubber?? Heard he dropped new pfs patients but haven’t talked to him in years maybe he switched things up.

@holyhead Hi man. Could you elaborate on your usual diet and any adjustments you’ve made to it throughout your journey with PFS? I’ve asked you a few times before but never got a response.

It’s the same ol same ol…protein bars, steak, I have found no difference in the diet affecting the symptoms back when I ran and kept a food journal daily the weight just sky rocketed for no reason after stopping finasteride…All the symptoms got worse and New symptoms started…I can eat 2k calories or 5k calories makes no difference I am so weak can barely wipe my own ass…

I have even found the task of eating itself tires me…I have to stop over and over and take deep breaths to finish a meal…

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I’m very sorry to hear this. What do your meals typically look like if you don’t mind me asking? Like what is a typical lunch and dinner for you? How many times do you usually eat a day? @holyhead

Joe Rogan has PFS, it’s why he’s on TRT lol.

That’s quite a stretch.

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No it’s not. If you’ve taken finasteride and suddenly go on TRT it’s suspicious.

pretty sure Rogan has been on TRT and dabbled with HGH for many years now. He’s never once talked about persistent side effects from Propecia that didn’t resolve when he stopped taking it. It seems that he understands a lot of men have issues from it but there’s nothing here to assume he is one of them. This is a stretch.

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If he has pfs how does he accomplish all that he does?

What does he accomplish, spouting misinformation on his shitty podcast? Trump has more severe PFS and he was President. Neither of them did any real work.

Are you joking? Joe Rogan has an $80million contract with Spotify for his podcasts, he’s a comedian and tours, he’s an announcer for the UFC and has been a host on TV shows.
You think he would be able to do all that if he was stuck behind a computer researching pfs 24/7.

You can’t even follow basic logic, there’s no point in trying to reason with you.