My last lab results came back below range for testosterone and DHT. I raised them both with clomid but it had no positive effect so I stoped.
So I have been carrying on with low levels. I figured since we have some sort of resistance to testosterone what is the point in even having in range . It would be in range on paper, but not in real life. I’m I correct in thinking this way? Or should I bring it up for possible health risk?
this is very tough question. The problem is not just testosterone resistance. Testosterone goes in wrong direction I mean it converts to estrogen fast. My experience with Gel was not good. I got water retention and gyno like condition(not real gyno but fat in my chest and I am sure had I taken it longer would have got boobs easily). Water retention was the worst. I had got kind of crippled , unable to move or walk. My legs and ankles were swolen and full of water.I was crying day and night. But this is my experience and you may not get this all. My doctor just slapped the gel and did not look back at me again( maybe people naturally low in T don’t get all these sides).
Some guys seem to respond to TRT but not many. JN put on muscle, as did iwontgiveup but hardly anyone got any long term or even medium term boost to libido. It seems the worse state you are in, such as having physical sides like muscle loss alongside ED/libido, the less likely you are to react positively.
Maybe clomid works differently in boosting your endogenous T rather than suppressing it with external T. Aeroengr at least rebuilt lost mass on it, a user labrea had a very bad crash with all the sides and super low T levels, took it relatively early and made a pretty good all round recovery. There are a lot of guys who relate that clomid gives some sort of slight boost in well being, erectile function etc but it doesn’t seem to be any reliable means of treating PFS.
SPS is right about converting to estrogen. I was warned about this by a senior member before trying t-gel and ended up with moobs. However I can’t be sure if it was due to the conversion to estrogen caused by TRT or the weight I put on after taking sleeping pills, in conjunction with the weight I was already putting on from PFS symptoms.
Androgen resistance really isn’t a mystery at all here anymore when we have now seen tons of guys who don’t respond to TRT. That’s the pisser about our situations; not only do we have the symptoms/bloods of hypogonadism, we have no real means of treating it. We can’t just slap on gel or inject once a week and carry on as normal. It even seems pointless seeking out uros and endos since they don’t know what’s going on.
Is there anything that can be done to help relieve hypogondism symptoms? Even just a little relief would be nice.
The only help so far I have found is contineous use of Vit D3. I think it has slowed or stopped my bone decay and helped build a little mass in my arms. I will go for another Dexa scan which will tell me the true picture.
How much D3 do you take daily and what type (brand) spstriken?
My opinion:
Having low testosterone with or with PFS = tired, low libido etc etc
So you’ll get these “PFS type” symptoms naturally from low testosterone.
BUT
Even with high testosterone you probably will still have these symptoms (because of PFS). You might find a small improvement in some areas, though.
I personally have out of range high T and DHT and i still have these hypogondal symptoms.
Take a look at others’ experience. Increasing T has always be detrimental, unless paired with a boost of other hormones (cortisol and thyroid in particular).
I took Clomid at 12.5mg per day and T3 at 25mg per day for a couple of months and then replaced the T3 with Armour thyroid (T3/t4) for a couple of months.
I’m now off everything and have practically healed since July this year.
I took propecia in 2005 and so I was a long-term sufferer. (ed, low libido, brain fog, etc)
I think a low dose of clomid and thyroid medication (my RT3 was high) is a low risk option that may help a substantial subset of PFS sufferers.
It helped me and JN.
I suspect propecia triggered a reduction in my RT3 and cortisol levels.
I wonder how many PFS victims fall into this category?
I can think of me and JN but there must be more?
Interesting but it is too early. only one month? If it continues for 6 months then We can give it a try.
Great post. Please create a member’s story or even a recovery thread (in a few months) so that we have a record of this. You would not be the first to have recovered using clomid and thyroid medication.
Awesome! Good luck. Just FYI, I’m following a similar protocol (no clomid yet) and my dr said that while you can get off the other hormones, it may be necessary to continue taking T4 to sustain the recovery. Maybe you and your dr want to keep an eye on your thyroid hormones.
Is there anyway to bypass androgen receptors and get DHT into the brain? This would help with sleeping issues…if it’s possible.
is t3 the liothyronine sodium variety
maybe SARMs
Unfortuanetly like most of us here the recovery was short-lived