I am currently taking clomid to raise my testosterone, but if my dht levels don’t increase with the testosterone…then I was wondering if there was any safe way for me to raise my dht?
I know there is dht creams on the market, but can these creams suppress your system further?
Does anybody here have any experience trying to boost dht?
Taking DHT can feedback to the hypothalamus and lower Testosterone as a result, because body senses extraneous DHT. This is one of the hypotheses for why men quitting Fin experience a crash in Testosterone levels post-drug (DHT no longer inhibits, surges, shuts down T production to lower DHT output). However, this might not occur in all cases.
There are studies on use of DHT gels and creams in hypogonadal men, do some research on Google Scholar. Here’s a few:
I found the article below at: freepeguide.com/testosterone-penis/, which the author says you should cycle dht to prevent down regulation. But pehaps I have already been down regulated. Seems to risky to try.
Possibly the best supplement you can use for penis enlargement is Andractim gel. I used this to literally remake my penis. It gets bigger, harder than ever before when I’m on this stuff. The feeling is incredible!
Andractim is actually topical DHT (dihydrotestosterone) - a metabolite of testosterone. DHT is many times stronger than testosterone and has a high affinity for the androgen receptors in penile tissue. It also does not convert to estrogen like testosterone does. So no worries about estrogen related side effects (such as gynecomastia).
I found one study that had 50 males with DHT and placebo. 8 out of the 50 was given the placebo, the remaining 42 received DHT Gel. After 6 months, the males reported bigger erections, painful erections, larger penis, etc. When they surveyed the 42 male partners, the partners stated they want their males to continue the study. Said the increase in sex drive, penis size, etc was worth them staying on it. The next 6 months of the study, no GEL or special mixture - just placebo. The 42 reported no reduction in penis size but sex drive did drop off.
How to use DHT gel for penis enlargement:
The way to use DHT gel successfully is to apply it in cycles. Your body will compensate after a while to the excess DHT by downregulating the androgen receptors making DHT less effective. So what to do? here’s a good way to go:
Start using the DHT gel. One dose applied to the penis every day. You will notice it’s effects within a couple days. Sign are increased sex drive, harder erections, more morning wood, things like that.
Hit your PE routine hard. As long as you feel the positive effects of the DHT gel continue intense PE workouts (usually a few weeks).
When the effects of the DHT gel seem to be wearing off, stop using it. You should also stop the intense workouts. You can keep up a light routine but during this period your letting your body return to normal. Your penis is also healing.
When you feel ready start another cycle. You should let a few weeks go by before you start again. This gives time for the androgen receptors to upregulate back into the penis tissues.
Each cycle of DHT gel should give you measurable gains, as much as 1/4 to 1/2 inch each cycle. After a few cycles these gains really add up!
The only commercially available topical DHT gel is Andractim. You have to fill out an online form when ordering. Don’t state PE as the reason for use! You can state it’s for hormone replacement therapy (if over 45yrs. old) or you have Gyno (bitch tits).
Do you guys remember Dustin. He took very high doses of testosterone which he said helped him to feel better. I was curious if anybody knows or if he stated what his labwork for DHT levels were before he started the high levels of trt and what it went to after he started. I’m very curious to know this. I tried looking in all his post but could not find that info. Maybe I am over looking it…does anybody know if his dht levels were low before trt and if they went up after?
Is anyone using Andactrim DHT gel right now?
I used it and got nothing but a rash. I used small dosages. I wouldn’t bother. Its definatley not a fix or even a temporary aid.
It is strange?
DHT creams are darling of trans sexuals. If you go on you tube they claim to have grown small penises with the help of DHT creams.
fina13 are you taking TRT?
The dht cream i used was Andractim. I had to buy it overseas. I once read that it only has an actual small percentage of DHT in it. They say there are creams that have more potent forms of DHT in them, but they are hard to come buy. I read a lot on this. I was always afraid that with any external source of test or dht substance coming in your body over a period of time your own body would shut down. I ran this by Shippen before I started he said to go ahead and try it. He would not prescribe it though. I had to get it online. He said to use small doses, I did, felt nothing. Then for a bit I put a lot on and still felt nothing. I have done TRT by the way of a gel that shippen had me on. When he had me put on dick and around the area it definately helped with erections, but it still wasn’t no way near pre-fin, and it very unnatural for some reason, hard to explain. ( no pun intended). It did not do anything for libido. I thing I was even putting on my forearms which gave my arms some muscle and defination. At the same time he had me on HCG to keep the balls going. Shippen really focuses on HCG. Allthough I never felt anything from it. I even decided on my own to do 10 days of 500mg of HCG followed by 10 days of clomid. I felt my body got in good shape maybe a little bump in feeling good, but it would quickly reside by the time I even finished the 20 days. I got this cycle off body building sites. I know it was against conventional thinking but the regular routine never worked. I want to try hcg at dosages of 2500 to 3000 mg every 2 days for a month followed by clomid. A member on this site trickster did this and supposedly it did the trick.(again no pun intended). I always felt the dosages were to small Shippen had me on. My last visit in may he did want me try high doses of test ethaniante at 500cc every two days with 250 mg of HCG once or twice a week. He said Crisler was getting good results with his patients. At that time he was thinking high doses of test could wake up the receptors. I have not tried this yet.
No offense but I laugh every time I see this link posted. I have yet to see another independent study done to validate this claim. My bet is the creatine manufacturers are behind it.
that’s pretty interesting theory about DHT shutting down T. however, it doesn’t sound right because T -> DHT via 5AR2. an increase in DHT just simply means that the 5AR2 has been reactivated again. testosterone isn’t regulated by 5AR2, so i don’t see how high DHT could possibly shut down T production. if high DHT signaled 5AR2 that too much DHT was being made, then if 5AR2 slowed down theoretically, it wouldn’t effect T because again, t isn’t regulated by 5AR2.
unless there’s more specifics going into the hga axis, it would make more sense, but it has to be a lot more factors than those two.
I used it recently in small amounts for a short time, and my body reacted really badly to it,
Lets just guess and make stuff up.
Bryce, no offense but what you are posting is simply personal opinion not backed up by any evidence to support your claims. I’ve already provided scientific evidence via published papers that taking external DHT can have negative feedback on the HTPA, lowering endogenous Testosterone production.
If you’re going to post claims like this, back them up with real studies that prove such possibilities.
Let me tell you, it shut me down, it was the closest i’ve been to the first two weeks off of fin since. For this reason it struck a chord with me when you said this:
We should be careful about recommending the topical dht gel ‘andractim’, it may be scientifically proven to be successful in certain individuals, but not on pfs sufferers, so arguing that andractim is safe is like arguing that finasteride is. The body -or at least our bodies- react in the same way as they reacted to the initial surge of dht post finasteride: desensitization.
From the evidence i have seen i personally believe that all hormone treatment should be endogenous, and therefore work with the body, not against it. I only took andractim myself (in very small amounts) as i believed the effects would not be systemic but merely topical.
i’ll be honest with you, i didn’t see the first part of your post with the hypothalamus, which is why i said towards the bottom of my post unless it involves the HGA axis then it would make sense. so since it involves the HGA axis, it makes sense. i just took what you said and thought you were saying that it only involved DHT and T and some random mechanism was taking place.
cando can you describe in more detail your experience with Andractim?
how long did you use?
how you felt?
Okay well i used it for four nights in a row, no more. I applied two pea sized drops to each nipple-far below the recommended dose with the spatula- i wanted to start with small amounts as i was concernd about the possibility of the dht going systemic i.e getting into the bloodstream and being distributed round the body causing desensitization. On the first night i applied it before bed, no hugely noticeable instant effects -nor was i expecting any. The only thing was i felt a bit anxious,a little like i did directly post fin when my dht levels were at rock bottom. Anyway i thought nothing of that. The second night i noticed that i felt more anxious and that inutes after taking it my flaccid penis became alot softer and my testicles loosened up. Again i was keen to give it a few days and not be too concerned, i had bought 2 tubes and used only tiny amounts so i saw no reason why it should be detrimental to give it a chance. The third night i was talking to someone via a webcam, the person i was talking with went off to get something to eat so i decided to apply andractim whilst waiting. A few minutes after we started talking again, my friend asked me what was up, as i had suddenly become quiet and seemed a bit upset about something. I went to bed, feeling insecure -for no particular reason- and again, felt like jelly down there, in the morning i woke up and my hyperthyroid symptoms felt worsened, i felt a bit nauseous and with some eye pain, i decided to give it one further night and then come off it if this feeling continued. The fourth night i felt like the night after i came off fin, in the morning i felt awful, it’s now two weeks since taking it last and i am back up to the acceptable condition i was in pre-andractim. However when i came off, my gyno worsened for a few days, presumably reacting to the withdrawal of the supply of dht it had been receiving up to that point. In terms of confidence, libido, erections and gyno i felt significantly worse from taking andractim both during and after taking it. That help?
Large doses of Andractim will suppress your testosterone production; ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6354523
The amount they used in that study, equals 5 grams Andractim (two spatulas) twice a day!
25 - 50 mg Proviron a day on the other hand, doesn’t suppress your testosterone production. More recent studies have shown that the suppression begins at 75 mg a day. However, this is an abstract from a study where they used 100 - 150 mg Proviron a day (for 12 months!), and it shows otherwise! As you can see, it suppressed LH by 25% in cases where the level was above the normal range. I recommend 25 mg a day, and I wouldn’t use more than 50 mg a day, just to be safe.
thanks Cando. It is interesting and depressing at the same time. Things supposed to help, are worsening our condition. it would be great if we can collect more data like this. I think Awor wrote similar experience.