I’ve seen so many doctors and therapists and have payed for a couple consults already that cost me a good amount of money only to be disapointed with little results. I’ve been talking to a nutritionist for the past few days who has looked over my blood work and has deemed that I have some mineral deficencies and that i am a simple case. I’ve tried to explain to him about the whole propecia thing but he doesnt take it for what its worth and more so just that i can be treated with some supplements and change my diet and all will be well. I kinda am curious about what he has to say but at the same time i’ve payed so much money already that im not sure if i want to waste anymore nor do i have the resources to. I am just sick of being deemed a simple case by all these homeopath people only to find out their supplements do jack for the problem. The best thing that has happened to me though is that I met with a psycotherapist today that the sleep clinic i went to refered me to and she actually believed what i had to say and said she thought it was psyiological and that 1. i needed a sleep study done and 2. i needed some valium or something of the sort to sleep at night. so yea im not sure about this guy as the nutrionist though he keeps telling me that cortisol and adrenaline are running rampant from over-training etc. i dunno i just dont want to see another 400 dollars down the drain
THis is my personal opinion, but if you have a serious case of post-Finasteride sexual dysfunction/loss of libido/hormone issues etc, nutritional supplements/eating well aren’t going to do jack shit for you in terms of recovering 100%/solving this problem. If it were that easy, everyone here would be cured.
This problem started with a drug that affected the endocrine system, and for some will likely require use of other drugs to try and reverse the problem, at least that is my personal opinion. That’s not to say that natural products may not have an impact, it’s more a question of “how much”.
Seeing that guys like Dr. Shippen are speaking about the “Post-Propecia Syndrome/Rare but dangerous side effects of 5AR inhibitors” at various hormone conferences, I don’t see how something simple as nutrition will be the cure. This is a complex problem that is not easy to solve.
Certainly eating well, taking a good multivitamin, fish oil supplements, doing weight training and cardio will help your overall health, and may assist with boosting Testosterone/reducing E2 etc… but if you obtain no recovery from such things, I wouldn’t pay a nutritionist $400 just to tell me some stuff I could research on my own for free online.
That’s great – go for the sleep study, see what it shows. Did she think it was physiological OR psychological? It’s not clear based on the way you spelt it (“psyiological”). If psychological, if you want to believe that, you are free to… not sure how changing your mindset will make the problems “go away”. I also personally wouldn’t take the valium but if you want to try, that’s your call.
Personally I would try and eliminate as many external factors as possible as a “reason” experts can say this is all in your head – ie, taking other drugs etc – and continue to search for help via investigation of endocrinology, neuroendocrinology, steroidogenesis and metabolism.
What overtraining? Have you been lifting weights daily and running 5 miles a day on top of that? How does he know this, that your cortisol and adrenaline are going crazy? Did you get bloodwork done? I recall you had some numbers, please post your complete results with ranges in the Hormones & Bloodtests section.
If I were you, I’d save your hard-earned cash for consultations with legitimate Endocrinologists or Neuroendocrinologists.
yea i have bloodwork done but havent gotten around to posting it all on here yet. I will though i promise i’ll get around to it. And for the record while my libido and sexual functioning is in much better shape and mostly normal compared to most guys on here my hormonal issues from the drug are very very severe. Anyway the nutrionist i talked to basically has said the same thing a therapist, a naturopath, and a doctor out in michigan said I am an “easy” case and reversing it shouldnt be a problem. I invested a lot of time and money in the other three only to discover. 1. the hypnotherapist i went did nothing for me at all, perhaps i was a bit calmer about the situation but nothing else, 2. The accupuncturist/naturopath with the herbs he was giving me and accupuncture actually did improve my digestion and all which was nice btu did nothing about the bigger issues i had at hand such as the fatigue brain fog, poor and little sleep etc, 3. the doctor out in michigan who already put me on a vitamin protocol deemed me an easy case and so far none of his stuff has worked. The vitd, 5-htp, and GABA that he has given me at night time has helped me to relax and takes away some anxiety but thats about it. Overall through these three people i’ve easily dropped close to 2 grand on them and supplements and other shit etc only to have them not work. Now I have this nutrionist on my ass saying I have mineral deficencies and that by using some supplements and changing my eatting habits and lifestyle i will be fine etc etc but of course I need to drop 400 dollars for him to give me the master plan. I don’t think people realize that I am not some normal person out there who just developed adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism over a period of time through stress poor life style etc etc. I took a drug and immedietly my world was turned upside down, there’s a different cause for my symptoms so i agree with you fully on that one mew. yea in terms of overtraining i was training hard for soccer over the summer only to realize i didnt have the energy to play anymore. I tried explaining to the guy that I havent worked out at all pretty much and have just rested for the past four months but still got worse but this guy is like out there i think i dunno. he looked at my blood work and said he knew the situation from just looking at it and knew exactly what to do. I dont buy it really. I dont know about the valium but i will look into it and may do it if i feel i need to it to sleep at night as my insomnia has made my life borderline unfunctionable. the sleep study should be interesting and something i definetly want to do. I didn’t have the balls to say anything to the sleep doctor the first time around but I feel if they find something wrong in the sleep study and deem me with hyperinsomnia/narcolepsy or some sort of sleep disorder im going to push for xyrem like there’s no tomorrow. i may even have the doctor look into this website if he’s open minded enough although i doubt it. anyway we’ll see thanks for the info mew i appreciate it
Yea, that’s pretty much the deal which a lot of docs fail to grasp, in that they try and blame other issues on our conditions as the cause. Do not lose sight of the fact that your issues occured AFTER you took Finasteride and via it’s mechanisms of action – that is they key point.
Well I guess it’s different in the USA where its a “pay for healthcare” system, you are truly at the mercy of potential quacks or those out for a buck who will tell you anything in order for you to part with your cash. Frankly I’d go with your gut. In the USA, with a healthy diet, I highly doubt you have mineral deficiencies unless you have bloodwork SHOWING that (not hormones, but the actual minerals themselves). Even then, I doubt correcting that will solve the problem.
Yes, of course he knew what to do – try and convince you to spend $400. And I’m soooo sure this nutritionist is:
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completely in tune with the damage Finasteride can do, how it operates, and understands its hormonal effects in depth, and can fully elucidate to you HOW you came to this state (not likely) – far better than others such as Dr. Shippen, Crisler, Goldstein or other competent medical professionals. Yes, I’m sure of that (can you hear my sarcasm?)
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going to cure you of all of your Post-Finasteride problems through mineral supplements you need to likely buy from him, for your supposed “mineral deficiencies”, while other docs like Shippen and Crisler have only had variable success via far more impactful drug treatments and protocols
You’re right, I don’t buy it either! Trust your gut, watch out for snakeoil salesmen and don’t be another sucker.
Good luck with the sleep study, keep us posted. Myself, I’d try and pursue as much in-depth hormonal/metabolite/genetic testing as possible to see if they can identify where the problem is.
also just to note i do feel that having a healthy lifestyle in terms of exercising and eating well is important for all of us on here none the less any person in general so it would only help, but i totally agree with you that it will do little to cure the problem at it’s core. For instance I played soccer for a couple hours last night for the first time in months and did quite well and felt pretty good afterwards. I slept slightly better last night and am having little less fatigue than i usually do but it is simply a better day than what i usually have they come and go. oh and she said physiological as in it’s not in my head and something is physically (hormonally) wrong with me. I’m really lucky because she seems like a good adovacte and is willing to make calls to doctors to help me out.
Yes, most here would also agree with this. Maintaining a healthy lifestyle is always a good thing to do, wether you took Fin or not… but it is especially warranted for us, because we did.
Yea, lots of guys have good days and bad ones after Finasteride, the good thing is with time there seems to be more good ones than bad ones for a lot of people.
That’s great, one less battle to fight. Hopefully she will be able to help you a lot. Good luck.