I seriously doubt theyd have a cure at their premises when we’re ztruggling so hard to find even the root cause. Theres basically no literature on this.
Merck didn’t even acknowledge the problem, why would they have devoted time and money to develop a cure? I’m quite certain they don’t have it.
Which is precisely why some sufferers and relatives of sufferers United efforts to put together a foundation and research into PFS.
What I’m saying here is you’re targeting the wrong enemy. Science is our ally, it’s the best way to find us solutions.
You are playing the victim and unfortunately you are one. You are attacking greatly and not responding to the link I sent you. When you took fin, your analytical capability were the same as now? Right?
Congratulations. Merck couldn’t have better clients who believed the studies. But you believed in and are now fucked up. Congrats. Your logic was to be fucked up finally by fin due to believing the studies which are logical. Why not trying a little logic yourself?
This tells a lot about your character.
EGCG is known (green tea extract) and there is a great study posted on solvepfs.
The only problem is, you need to read. I give you the opportunity to excuse your attacking. You attacked me cause I was mentioning a tea preventing cancer. Otherwise I think the admin should read and qualify your stuff.
And here is the link: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509513/
So once again, did you read the study or not? Unless you do so, you are a storyteller and inventer and insuater at finest and who is rejecting the fact people got cured by non standard. Of course, all those people are inventing their success story, all of them worldwide. It is a conspiracy group of thousands of people organized by the holistic docs, I guess.
You haven’t answered yet if you are willing to see the people got cured by non standard way. I guess you fear that situation as it would destroy your image of what is possible or not.
But instead, you are developing further attacks on me.
So, what about a meeting in Portugal or Germany where we can sit down and discuss from man to man? Or do you fear that, too?
Of course not, they weren’t. This is impossible to get cured otherwise than with chemo. No, absolut impossible because Mr. Xp knows it due to his believe in studies which got him to decide to take fin and being fucked up by approved! science. What a joke, man. How sarcastic is that.
I guess you didn’t even reached the 30s, so you must be young enough to learn and see more in your life.
And btw, we all hope that science can bring all pfs people out of this mess.
But as long you don’t accept the freedom of speech of others (not just me), it would be good for you to read again what it means. If not, it seems you are the fundamentalist here.
If you go on insulting me with that though you know the rules of freedom of speech and opininion, I guess it would be a good idea to inform the administrator. Best
In that article they identified that there is a compound in green tea, which was extracted and then tested by a scientific process, EGCG, which may work for chemoprevention - they didnt even mention curing late stage “austherapiert” cancer like you claimed, and they were careful enough with their claims. It was also only tested in a couple of specific types of cancer cells (in vitro) when the most common pattern in cancer is that there is not much of a pattern among the cancer cells, or even among the different types of cancer!
Its “some” evidence, that it “could” work, if the EGCG “could” reach a therapeutic dosage in the cells, to do “chemoprevention” in “some” cells of some types of cancer. Its a long way saying it cures uncurable (austherapiert) cancer like you claimed to happen with holistic methods.
Therapeutic claims must be based on good evidence, e.g. controlled clinical trials. So let me attach you a FAILED trial for EGCG in prostate cancer prevention:
There is a long way from in vitro to invivo… thats not to say the EGCG is useless, its an interesting compound - all flavonoids are very interesting - but you cant just claim it will cure cancer in patients with late stage, otherwise labeled as uncurable patients, like you did!
I’m just saying, dont believe all the hype, thats how you end up loosing buckets of money! Thats how many of us spend lots of money on suplements withouth any ROI! Its easy to take advantage of sick, desperate people. You just shout the words cure and thats it, money flooding in! Health claims should be based on high-quality, randomized controlled trials. With anecdotes, we can never be sure about cause and effect. If you want to try something, at least try something with fairly good evidence!
Furthermore, like i said above, EGCG is the result of a scientific process where they extract the compound. The same science you seem to despise - “my science”. And this is actually how many drugs were found and synthesized, which is why they end with phase:
EGCG is about as holistic as Saw palmetto extract, which has screwed people over and over here. You seem to forget this little detail…
If an alternative therapy ever did turn out to be that efficacious, it would become mainstream even before all the clinical tests, to prove its efficacy, are fully concluded. That happens all the time with medications. When you talk about an alternative cure it seems to presume that conventional scientists and clinicians reject a treatment simply because it originated from the realm of alternative medicine. Thats not true at all, but its the cue i get from you.
Anyway this hasnt much to do with PFS, why did you bring up the cancer subject?
If you accept or not, is not interesting me. I am talking to people here on the platform.
Reporting is my idea - so don’t copy just ideas from others…
But anyway, I think you have understood so far.
BTW are your sleeping issues getting better by taking the drugs or are you already in the state to sleep without them? Could the drugs cure your problem? Sleep is very important for the mind.
Sorry, I cannot link you the studies saying sleep is important. I hope you believe me.
Insightful post by @a3c3 on cdnuts and his tools, i.e. fear and bullying.
Since the thread started wants it deleted I will copy paste it here for safety:
I tried using the cdnuts protocol once to promote world peace, sadly it didn’t work. The protocol itself is essentially a bag of natural health therapies which are already established in their own individual right. Surprisingly this cdnuts protocol has nearly doubled in size all these years later and now includes a bunch of other therapies that were never originally written about by nuts. So I assume he is now claiming he recovered using additional therapies so make of that what you will.
It’s ironic how the cdnuts cheerleader asks how many folk here have tried the protocol. About 8 years ago when the apparent nuts protocol was promoted, hundreds and hundreds of guys here tried it out back when membership was active around 4,500. Many of us here interchanged ideas and discussed outcomes publicly and privately. Sorry to say there was no great cure of PFS.
The amount of successful recoveries using the nuts protocol amounted to nuts himself and the great English. Some believed English was cdnuts while others claimed Englsih set up a PFS website with nuts. A handful of guys with very mild cases of PFS claimed some improvements but then again as the Endocrine system can naturally recover within a few years of suppression, there was no actual medical evidence to prove that improvements did come from this selection of therapies.
In the past year since the introduction of a new health forum abbreviated as HS, Dr Nuts new place of residence there has been quite a number of people coming to this forum making claims they have been cured by the protocol. Make of that what you will but essentially hundreds of guys tried it 7+ years ago with next to no benefit and suddenly in the past 12 months hallelujah, the nuts protocol is curing many conditions under the sun.
Interestingly nuts who claimed to be cured of PFS is still around promoting these natural therapies 7+ years later. Either he is The Good Samaritan we read about in Bible Studies or he is making a good living from PFS and clearly doing very well financially to still be in the health game.
As previously mentioned there has been lots written about the different therapies in his protocol and I have never been against anyone for doing them but the benefits are exaggerated. These therapies are often recited by likeable personalities working as fake health gurus in their private seminars pitched in town halls, small theaters, conference rooms etc. Group presentations and individual advice also extend to the popular Skype.
The gurus often make spurious claims that they have seen patients make miraculous recoveries referencing fake testimonies or they themselves recovered and are now here to help. Cover stories sometimes involve the guru saying they are actually studying to become a doctor/medical professional or claim to have achieved medical certification’s through examination bodies that don’t exist.
One of the favorite protocols is the removal of toxins/pathogens which eventually allows the human body to regain natural functionality and lead to patient recovery. Spurious claims are those made without actual facts or medical studies to support them and are often linked to a complicated medical theory which the fake guru ties in with human biology. Success is also dependent of faith/belief meaning the guru tells the audience they must keep believing throughout the treatments. At this moment the guru transcends into a faith healer but the audience remains largely unaware.
These protocols can often take over a year to do properly which is a good length of time to make money from the patient. If the patient doesn’t fully commit to his/hers new protocols then the guru simply tells them they stopped believing so no refund is given on advice etc. Seriously, when was the last time your GP prescribed you a medication and told you, you must believe in this treatment or it won’t work?
My answer to a3c3: One of the dangers of obsessively trying to cure yourself via the help of a health scammer is getting stuck in an emotionally taxing loop that only benefits the scammer.
Great post. I especially like this insight:
His actions only serve to generate fear and make people believe that they have no other option but to believe in his protocols, which seem to grow each year. In turn he pushes people away from donating in research and public awareness initiatives pursued by the Foundation. It’s a clever strategy designed to keep people afraid and turning to him for help. When the protocols don’t work people still think he’s the only one who can help so they say nothing. He is using fear to control people and an administrator’s position to control what is said about him. Control, manipulation it is what it is.
That is a very intelligent observation (i.e. that cdnuts works with fear). Cdnuts tells people that their life is over if they do not recover. That they might as well kill themselves if they do not succeed in “defeating” PFS. And then the next step is to present his fraudulent protocol as the ONLY solution.
This is of course false in two ways: 1) Life is not over even with PFS. 2) His protocoll is nothing more than an fraudulent enrichment scheme, designed to maximally deplete PFS victims savings.
I agree: One of his most effective tools is fear: Your life is over if you do not believe in me. Its sadistic, sociopathic behavior. And the perfect example what this leads to is bizzbee: His whole life is centered around him trying to cure himself and failing. He is in an eternal loop. Its a pathetic way to live.
At the end of the day, the best thing a PFS guy can do is try to achieve his goals that he had before and donate to the foundation. The rest is nonsense.
So when you buy into his protocols you are allowing yourself to be controlled and manipulated. In some ways it is no difference to bullying, using a perceived power over a weaker person to control them. That is the person you put your trust in.
Also very insightful. He has bullied an entire community and many followers are adopting this behaviour. As you say: He says he is the sufferers superior because he had the “strength” necessary to cure himself. Total bollocks. Once you accept this framework you turn into his slave.
I would differ on two things though ac3c:
There is no “your or my” truth. There is only THE TRUTH. Its universal and not dependent on the subject. Otherwise we have to call it an opinion, which is of course not truth and cant be compared to it. When it comes to a medical treatment protocol, it either works or it doesnt. And it is just a fact that cdnuts protocol is just a way to transfer money from the sufferers bank account to his bank account. It does not work and is a waste of money and emotional energy (i.e. the fear and disappointment).
Cdnuts protocol is not worth a try. It involve 21 herbs. Its (understandable) desperation that gets people to try it.
Just to make it clear: IN ALL LIKELYHOOD CDNUTS NEVER SUFFERED FROM PFS. HE POSTED LINKS TO SCAM WEBSITES FROM DAY 1!
unfortunately pretty much all diseases/sicknesses that are life destroying has plenty of people exploiting draining $$$ from
go on cancer websites and there’s shitloads of people selling grape juice promising it will cure people
they are as bad as Merck, preying on people’s fears and hopes.
these forums also had some really “interesting history” like one time everybody was sure this random doctor in Greece had some sort of miraculous prostate cure for PFS. Multiple people spend $1000s to fly to Greece and see him and of course nobody got cured.
idk where cdnuts is coming from exactly and whether he was fraud from beginning or just had something he thought was pfs but wasn’t. But we know that lots of people followed his protocol and nobody report cure so his methods are useless either way.
Is he a scammer or trying to make money? Possibly, he is an American after all.
But it seems a funny way to go about making money; hanging around a small, niche disease forum for years on end hoping to make something via affiliate marketing.
There are actually a few guys that claim to have recovered using his protocol, so either they are all fictitious or lying or there is something in it. Not to mention the user chi recovered using a similar holistic path.
I certainly wouldn’t compare him to that Greek tosser who conned several desperate people out of literally thousands of pounds a few years back.
It really doesn’t cost much to do what he laid out, certainly not when you consider the thousands guys have wasted on “PFS docs” down the years.
I think part of the problem is not enough people have the motivation to follow it for a few months so we can get a good idea.
But if you want to sit and wait for some grandstand study to come out hen good luck with that.
I don’t think that money has to be the only motivation. I think that the psychological perks this would give him would also be a pretty strong motivator.
Dont underestimate the amount of money PFS sufferers are willing to spend on supplements. Also I believe that he sells these supplements to other target groups. Basically he is a seller of supplements, and the PFS niche is a big spending profitable sub-group. Probably he has multiple targets/victims of diseases he scams.
His protocol costs over 1000 bucks. Do your research.
ZERO way of verifying if they even had pfs in the first place, let along actually recovered, for all we know those stories were posted on alt-accounts someone created.
and so convenient when whatever “protocol” doesn’t work, it’s always the fault of the person trying the protocol because they only followed it 99.9% and not 100%. not the protocol itself.
trust me dude, this forum has being around for 10 years, full of desperate guys who are willing to do and give anything to get back to normal, There’s no lack of motivation around those parts, go look at member stories, here are guys who would march up to the gates of hell if it means cure. If the protocol actually worked, there wouldn’t be anyone left on those forums.
Trust me, I’ve being here for way longer than I ever wanted to be, I’ve seen protocols after protocols come and go, cdnut’s posts have being here for years and years. You really think he has the miracle cure but there isn’t a SINGLE verifiable recovery story?
I’m not sure if he’s a fraud or just convinced himself he has the cure, it’s a free country so go ahead and try w/e protocol you want and I hope from the bottom of my heart that you get cured. It’s just not gonna happen anymore than drinking $100/carton grape juice being sold online is gonna cure your cancer.
To put it simply, CDnuts is a fraud. I’ve been LIVING his recovery regime half my life. Everything you see on his protocol, I’ve been doing since I was 14 just because that’s the way I decided to live. None of it makes a difference, and even harms some with PFS. So simply put, if you believe this protocol is anything more than living a healthy life style, then I am sorry to hear that.
I dont know your story and i dont know why it matters what u did in college, did u have pfs back then? If yes, you didnt see anything positive from their use?
My point is that I have been essentially doing his self proclaimed protocol for the last 11 years of my life.
You added that he ran prohormones and that I “missed that.”
I then responded by saying I have taken prohormones, 4-5 cycles, this was before I have developed this syndrome that is akin to PFS. So what’s your point? I have been essentially doing his protocol before I got a syndrome akin to PFS, and I have continued it after. It makes NO difference in my symptoms.
Are you dense? I said multiple times that increasing androgenic activity upregulates 5ar2 and if thats what we are missing we can recover. His protocol is not just “living healthy and exercise” its boosting your androgens to the max and on top add exogenous androgens that will push you even further.
So yeah you didnt even do half of what his protocol asks imo.
I am summarizing it as “living healthy and exercising”, I am familiar with what his “protocol” entails. I’ve done all of it since I was 14 and continue to do it. I would really love to know how you know what I’ve done and not have done. Thanks for your opinion, keep ripping that protocol man!
What are u even talking about i specifically asked you if you cycled any dht prohormones even after pfs and you keep dodging the question? Are u cycling these prohormones since you were 14 and never stopped since? I said i have no idea what u did or what u are doing so I clearly asked if u still cycle pro dht stuff and if you have seen any relief of your symptoms. Jesus christ
