I think trt is my only hope for normality again and any patients of Professor Bouloux

General Discussion
#1

hi everyone

it feels like my body is fighting the progress like anytime i workout and get this release of hormones my body immediately begins to fight it. it feels like it is fighting me every step of the way for me to get back to normality.

i am seeing professor bouloux in the London clinic. He has been treating me the past year. he first perscribed me an anti depressant (citalopram) which took the edge off but did not treat the main cause of the problem. Then after a few months he wanted me to go on another anti depressant however i felt that wasnt the right way to go i felt that raising my testosterone levels was the best way to treat me so i went and bought tribulus pro which massively cleared up my symptoms (tribulus pro is used by body builders to increase testosterone production). so i went back and he was pleased aboutmy change in symptoms so he prescribed me Tamoxifen(same effect just more potent) which i have been taking for the past 3 weeks. it has massively reduced my symptoms.

i feel at this point the end of the line i trt to achieve 100% normality again. although small the only time i have benifited seems to have been when i have raised my testosterone levels to the appropriate level.

in regards to my working out. this along with many other has a massively good benifit however i need to as with any other men train like a solider to get anywhere near to what i used to feel like. when i stop however, its like whenever the chemicals that are produced from exercise run out i crash hard into depression and then it levels off again.

Please COMMENT

Hi i have been taking Propecia for about 2 and half years and have recently began taking dutasteride. i am impodent and never realised until now that it might be the drug

#2

can you fill out some more info? are you still on fin?

#3

hi

no i have been off finsteride for the past 2 years. i was on propecia for over 2 years

#4

I know you’ve been here a while but could you fill out the form for new members? My parents are Irish so I’d be interested to see if there are similarities.

#5

Firstly, I have to say that I think Boloux sounds like an absolute nightmare and you should consider switching doctors ASAP. Why has he put you on an anti depressant?

Secondly, please give us some more information, age, when you took the drug and your experience up to yet in fighting PFS. I may well be able to help you find a better doctor, at least when it comes to hormones/ proper doctoring with rare cases.

#6

GET OFF THE CITALOPRAM. Sadly, you’ve probably ruined your chances of being able to recover any money from Merck. The first thing lawyers have asked me is if I took an SSRI while on Fin or after. Thank God I didnt do it. I was extremely suicidial and depressed for months after I crashed. I still get depressed but deplin, wellbutrin and l dopa has allowed me to cope so I can at least get through daily tasks.

#7

i am off citalopram

are you involved in a lawsuit againts merck boston

#8

Irishguy, am I correct in that you are now taking Dutasteride as noted in your signature? If so, why?

This forum is form men who took and quit 5AR inhibitors who have not recovered from their effects.

#9

Irishguy, in your subject you mention that trt might be your only solution, but you claim that you are having tamoxifen to raise your testosterone levels and that it has brought you significant improvement. If this drug or the tribulus you had puts your testosterone in normal levels, why would you have / are having trt?

#10

Hi

I am not taking dutasteroide. I am not taking finasteride in any form. I would swallow a bullet before I would ever touch those pills again. The reason I want trt is that I feel given my positive response from exercise, tamoxifen and tribulus pro that I need the most potent treatment to get normal again. As all of these treatments have made vast improvements I feel I need something more potent. I want to be normal again I don’t give a fuck about suing merck, I just want normality again.

#11

Well, maybe you should discuss raising the dose of tamoxifen with your doctor. It might not be a good idea to go on TRT after tamoxifen has induced your body to produce its own testosterone. You would probably inhibit your natural production of T.
Aren’t you having bloodwork before / during / after tamoxifen to assess how much did you boost testosterone production?

#12

Irishguy, would be nice to recover what you can in terms of lost income, quaility of life and med expenses I guess is what I meant.

btw- I’ve been on high dose TRT and I have not had any resolution of side effects. But, its only been a few weeks. If you are getting some androgenic effect from supps then maybe your experience will be different.

#13

Ok so if you say you aren’t taking Dut, why does it say the following in your signature on each post??:

"Hi i have been taking Propecia for about 2 and half years and have recently began taking dutasteride."

#14

Why don’t you approach Dr Bouloux about further medicines to try?

What sort of dosage of Tamoxifen are you on?

Let us know

#15

hi

i am on 20mg of tamoxifen which has massively improved my symptoms. it seems like anytime i do something to raise my testosterone levels whether its lifting weights or natural supplements to increase testosterone, i feel massively better and i have emailed professor bouloux about this and he is going be in contact with me about further strategies.

I used take tribulous pro before i started taking tamoxifen, however i am now taking both and this has massively improved my symptoms of libo, depression motivation etc . That is why i feel trt is my only hope for normality. i feel based on everything that has happened to me that i fit into the category of men that need to have their levels raised to super high levels to achieve normality.

However something very strange happens whenever i do anything to increase my testosterone levels. for example when i started taking tribulous pro. i took the maximum dosage for about three days on testosterone and it massively improved all of my symptoms however not altering the dose in any way i felt not as good as it felt like my body was fighting it. a few days ago i took more than 3 times the maximum dose of tribulus pro in addition with 20mg of tamoxifen and now i have felt the best i have felt since pre finasteride. however i still feel like my body is fighting every treatment i try

for instance if for example my t level is on average 20. taking tamoxifen may have taken me up to 35 but after a few days it feels like my body just says NO THIS isn’t right and brings it back down to say 27 but not completely back down to where it was before.

PLEASE comment

#16

Irishguy, I’d appreciate it if you would address the below concerns. If you aren’t on any 5AR Inhibitors, why do you say you are taking Dutasteride in your signature at bottom of each post?

Ok so if you say you aren’t taking Dut, why does it say the following in your signature on each post??:

“Hi i have been taking Propecia for about 2 and half years and have recently began taking dutasteride.”

#17

hi

i changed my signature ok. it was when from when i registered. now does anyone have any comments on my above statement

#18

Why not do a member template (& post blood tests) so we can all get a clearer picture and give appropriate comments.

#19

Ny updates irishguy?