I have a theory

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#1

My theory is that propecia launches men into estrogen dominance and the key enemy if FAT.

How many of you guys now have a pot belly? Or a bigger pot belly than you had before? Have any of you really checked your body fat percentage?

People tell me I’m skinny yet I have a pot belly and a body fat percentage of 25% (before I started interval training). What a shock. I had no idea I was harbouring that much fat.

And as you know fat = aromatisation!

So fat = estrogen.

Men’s body fat should be around 15% if you’re fit and healthy. Mine is nearly double that.

So my theory is that finasteride lowers DHT and raises estrogen but why do the side effects continue after ceasing the drug? Because when you let estrogen go up, fat is a side effect. The drug is ceased but the fat and thereofore the estrogen remains! This is my theory. It creates a vicous circle of more fat, more estrogen and more estrogen means more fat etc… It basically has screwed our metabolism and led to estrogen dominance.

You can find a body fat percentage calculator online. I’m curiuos… what are all of your body fat percentages?

Also what do you guys REALLY eat every day? How much fast food do you consume? How much excercise do you actually get each day?

#2

By the way, I am a ten year side effect sufferer. That’s ten years of research, well over $60k worth of doctors, drugs, tests and supplements and a LOT of thinking about WTF is wrong with me.

And this, at the moment is my number one suspect.

Think about it.

#3

I exercise 4 times a week on average… and eat about 1200 calories every day, havent ever measured my body fat % but I would suspect its pretty low, still feel like shit every. single. day.

#4

my body fat is 10% and it has been for around 3 years… Still suffering.

#5

Same here. I’m also very lean and in good shape.

#6

Lol bullshit if This was the case there wouldn’t be any fat Person around on the planet …it is actually the opposite I think people who are slightly fat have more libido because of aromatisation…I am not talking about the obese mc Donalds junkies I mean just around 10 kg heavier than your optimal weight.

#7

I have a very athletic body type with very low body fat and suffer from PFS. The cause of PFS is most likely due to gut pathogens that overgrew because of the high amount of estrogen, these gut pathogens excrete Hydrogen Sulfide which has been scientifically shown in studies which I can cite to cause androgen insensitivity:

Hydrogen sulfide represses androgen receptor transactivation by targeting at the second zinc finger module.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24942741

So far 100% of people who have had a genova stool test done have shown to have pathogens, yes, 100%; and every person who has recovered has specifically stated that diet was one of the most important things. In my opinion the cause has been found but how to resolve it is another obstacle.

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#8

I’d seriously rethink that amount of calories. That may be a huge contributor of why you feel so bad.

#9

No I’ve been doing that for longer than I’ve had pfs and I used to feel great.

#10

Your body needs fat try eating fatty foods

Try eating the fattest steak you can find and also there’s the stack grilled cheese sandwich combo from Jack-in-the-Box I worked really good for me starving your body from what he needs is not going to work your end up getting the pew Pfs even heavier

I went through it now I try to Eunice fatty food as possible and I feel semi-great

#11

Ah man that’s a really scientific protocol you’ve got there, stacked grilled cheese sandwiches… it’s genius! Bye bye pfs!!!

#12

I am at 70% and getting better every day you get your fat ass off the couch you need to exercise also idiot

You need to do MMA training this is the best conditioning for your body at least two hours a day you have to hit it hard very hard

That is what I did and that is what I’m doing and I feel my body in tiptop shape and it’s getting better and better every day to little guy

#13

You may or may not have down syndrome.

#14

He may or may not but he IS getting better. Something you’re definitely NOT doing sitting there and learning which alphabet letters are used to make up a sequence of DNA. Wallow in misery fool.

#15

If you do not push your body you will if you do not push your body you will not recover not recover you have to do some sort of MMA training kind of worked out where it targets the whole body as a whole

As far supplements go to raise your testosterone they will only work if you push your body if you are just going to take it and wait around to see if they’re going to work it is not going to happen I have stopped taking any kind of supplement I feel my body heat returning and I do have a hard on all night long.

That is a very good sign I am not sure if it was the shampoo I was using to keep my hair on my head I stopped that completely and I feel a lot better combined with the MMA training class that I did I feel way way better anyhow good luck guys

Sitting around is just not going to work I’ll guarantee you that I said around for three fucking years and you didn’t do a goddamn thing

#16

Haha you are seriously talking down to me for educating myself? What, did you drop out of high school or something?

#17

The last time I can remember fucking two times in a day was a long time ago perhaps 10 12 years ago

Yesterday morning I woke up after I eat breakfast I jacked off for about an hour it was really really good throughout the whole time my dick was hard I would say it was at 70 maybe

The night I did the same thing again I jacked off and it was about 60 to 65% my body was really warm and I was feeling good throughout the process

Know I woke up this morning I don’t think last night my nightly hard on was that strong I think it was had about 40 maybe 35% this morning as I sit here I can feel tingly down there like he wants to become hard perhaps make testosterone for my body

Important things

Sunlight

Keep in your body warm specially after you eat

When you go to sleep try to keep your hand on your dick get it hard and just let it be hard just keep your hand there

Eating fatty foods

I hope this helps

#18

You’re dodging the issue. The issue isn’t whether or not I’m “talking you down” for “educating” yourself. That’s absurd, but then again, so are most of your responses. The issue pertains to the fact that he’s found something that is working for him while you sit on your twat and wait for a medical breakthrough and also find the time to come here and tell people they are morons and retards for being proactive. So go back to your little coloring book on molecular biology and look at all the cool illustrations of cellular morphology and function and keep everyone here posted on your progress towards your illustrious (worthless) bachelor’s degree in whatever. There are people with no formal education having great intellects that would wipe the floor with yours and leave you muddied and confused. You have no f%$king clue what education is.

#19

I see that I struck a raw nerve. Maybe seeing a therapist would help you sort out whatever kind of insecurities you are clinging on to this late in life. Remember bizzbee, it’s never too late to go back to high school.

#20

So it’s settled then, you’re the one who’s actually retarded. I hate to brag but you put me up to it. Let’s just say that my formal education would be the envy of most folks. I thought I had clued you in a few times already when I tried explaining to you that your baby classes in bio and chem won’t put a dent in anything anytime soon. That’s because, retard-boy, I’ve already taken such classes years ago and I know that the science and the medicine has a long way to go before arriving at a therapeutical solution. So again, the question is begged…will you continue to bash those with little to no formal education (not like you really have much anyway considering the level of classes you described taking) and act all douchebaggy and snooty about being a mediocre college student or will you get off your twat and actually do something effectual besides snap back with your snooty little f-tard responses? I’m willing to wager you’ll get back with one of the latter because you can’t help being a snooty, douchebaggy f-tard.