I respond great to clomid and Nolvadex, they raise LH really high.
I tried tapering slowly over 2 months. Now I feel like shit, balls smaller again.
My body just doesn’t produce enough LH on its own. Fucking bs.
My case was Totally different, I use clomid and didn’t rise my T much.
Even if you LH is low normal a high concentrations of brand new leydig cell will increase your T significantly, those cell will respond better even a low LH signal.
Rember something leydig are the one that produce Testosterone they are the factory.
Yes, it would work if leydig cell dysfunction is causing hypogonadism. However I am sure that PFS/PSSD are caused by a problem with receptors, otherwise they would be easy to cure. We see that even hypogonadal men have some libido, just less than usual. It is quite unheard of for it to completely disappear. And obviously all of the other symptoms unique to these syndromes (genital numbness is an example) show that it is a very different beast compared to a simple hormone imbalance.
I told to a guy in California, he took Propecia for 10 Years and he is recovered, he told me that optimals levels of testosterone are crucial for the recovery.
I will say something else guy, I want to have brand new leydig cells that it will come with brand news receptors to responde pretty well to our LH whatever the level is, to increase my levels of Testoterone high as possible and I don’t know why are you guys so skeptical with those cells.
The only thing that I can guarantee is that I will have those cells transplanted to my body regards of if work or no, and the other thing that I guarantee you is that never I will inject in my body that nasty TRT.
If it was testosterone level that was the problem, people would be able to raise their testosterone level and recover? If that’s what you’re saying, then unfortunately you’re incorrect.
Again, I never said that rising testosterone will reverser PFS, I said that I talked to a guy in California that he is recovered 100% from PFS, he told me that to get recovered from PFS is crucial to have optimal testosterone levels.
Obviously and have all sense if you have PFS and in top of that your T- levels are low, in that case you are not going anywhere right ?, Are we all agree on this?
And yes, I want pretty much to have the testosterone levels as a teenager naturally, who doesn’t want that ?
Jesus why are so stubborn ?
**Note:**The study below show that our leydig cells were also damaged at some degree in many of Us, and it could be the cause of Our low T or low normal T.
finasteride -treated mice, increased incidences of testicular Leydig cell hyperplasia
You are wrong, you leydig cell are the ones that are not responding very well, you are forcing your testicles with high LH levels to produce more T, when in fact when leydig cell are responding well to LH with just normal range even with low normal levels of LH you can have high levels of T. you can ask this to and good endo and he will confirm it.
Yeah but my body should sense that my testosterone isn’t high enough and produce even more LH to compensate if my leydig cells don’t work like pre PFS.
With high LH (on clomid) I feel very good. This LH level should be my natural level now.
Your solution to increase T naturally is a leydig cell treatment.
Does such a thing exist or are you merely theorising? If Invictus reads that and believes you, will his doctor know what to do with that suggestion?
Leydig cells treatment exist, it is real, but only had been used in animal model with excellent result, a doctor in Miami is going to plan a trial in human of subcutaneous leydig cell approach, also his approach seem very promising I communicated with him already, but he told me that he is no currently in human trial yet.
If that were the answer (raising testosterone) wouldn’t the many, many people who have used various methods to raise their testosterone be able to live symptom free?
Greek, how many time do I have to repeat the same thing, I never and I am not saying that rising testosterone will reverse PFS or PFS symptoms.
I just want to increase my T to a more optimal levels that it. I am not talking about PFS or symptoms.
Sorry man, I lost sight of the topic at hand.
Honestly though, if raising testosterone with a leydig cell treatment isn’t the solution by your own acknowledgement, why are we talking about it? There are other ways of raising testosterone (as I know you know) why would your solution to his problem be that he has a treatment that has never been carried out on humans? You say TRT is not necessary - on the proviso that people have a treatment that had never been performed on humans.
Forgive me for taking this simplistic view, but it seems like a there’s no application for us to use these cells which you’ve announced here so I feel like we may as well not bother talking about it?
Bro, as I said before, this is the most promising way of increase Testosterone in most safety matter possible:
1- Non any herbal testosteronee booster really will do the job and to keep any benefit of rising small amount you need to keep taking it.
2-TRT have a lot of risk and lest put aside that if a life time treatment.
3- non preformed in human don’t mean that is not going to work.
@MOONCHILD are there any studies showing the relative safety of implanting Leydig cells?
Why is a surgical application of cells into your testicles safer than injecting testosterone, which is a common procedure people do at home? Do you have any information on people receiving Leydig cell treatment?
These claims should be backed up with some science, bro. If not, misinformation can spread through this forum without acknowledging any safety studies.
Sounds like an awesome concept, I hope it’s possible.
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However I presume these exogenous leydig cells would have to go in the testicles. Would the testicles have enough resources to accomodate the extra leydig cells, would they even be accepted?
The day when the use of these cells will be approved (if approved) we will already be dead of old age … It’s like stem cells, it’s been talked about since the 80s, but they still don’t use them. If there is anything that can cure a disorder without it having to be taken for life, Big Pharma does not approve it. Simple. The goal of Big Pharma is not to find drugs that cure, but to create drugs that force us to depend on them.
There is a doctor in Miami working on Subcutaneous Leydig Cells treatment, he is not doing human trial yet, but he said that his approach is very promising so far from the mouse model.
Note: Subcutaneous leydig cells therapy is not injected in the testicles.
Another company that also made contact with the owner at the beginning of the year, he told me that he is expecting to start the human trial in 3 years, his treatment is injection in the testicles.
There are some more companies doing a very deep research on this matter, some of those companies are in China.
The leydig cells is the only and safe alternative to CURE primary hypogonadism, TRT belongs to the pass century, who want testosterone injection for life time?