Who else has low HGH?
If this doesn’t concern you, what are you trying to prove?
Search on the forums.
Relax man I’m just curious. I wasn’t aware that it was common among us.
My bad, sorry i’m just used to the whole cynical attiude on the forums.
I was just going through blood works on here. Noticed a few fair guys having low hgh. A lot of guys haven’t had it tested on here, and it explains alot of things such as social withdrawal etc.
i feel like there actually could be something to this as one of the known causes for adult-onset HGH deficiency is an increase in 5-alpha-reductase. some of the symptoms of HGH deficiency seem to mimic PFS. but i think HGH injections are not only very expensive but also something that has been tried on the board before. plus it can lead to gyno. it would be nice to hear of more tests on this though.
Its not something that is commonly tested… but something I have been interested in for awhile… I have so much going on at the moment that I haven’t been able to get in to see any anti aging docs yet. Probably something I will look into when I have some free time.
I’m off to an anti-aging doctor in 2 days. I’ll keep you guys in the loop. Low HGH explains why i’m getting wrinkles under my eyes.
I don’t mean to be off topic but I think this is closesly related to HGH issues. As I had below range Aldosterone.
Renal Failure
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001503/
Propeciashiz, read the story of -JN- He’s a long time sufferer and he credited HGH to getting him back to close to normal.
Growth Hormone stimulates IGF-1.
My IGF-1 was 2x above range 1 year post crash.
It is misleading to talk about your own personal test results because you didnt use Finasteride.
You just have some bizarre back story about taking saw palemtto at the age of 15.
You also reply to people when they ask what supplements work quite a bit - again this is misleading.
propeciashiz - I’d be interested in seeing an anti-aging doctor myself, although from doing a google search the U.K. doesn’t appear to be at the forefront of this particular field of medicine. Any guys in U.K. know of any decent anti-aging docs?
Hey Scotsman, Anti-aging doctors are generally biochemists or in the fields of sports medicine. So they may call them something else in the U.K. The benefit of a anti-aging doctor over a endocrinology is that they do extentensive testing which your general endo will not do. I will keep you posted as i’m heading to one tomorrow.
Cheers,
My IGF-1 is at the higher end of the range 3 off being over. Though IGF 1 Binding protein 3 is almost below range, which suggests it’s not being delivered to tissues correctly, if i’m correct IGF-1 P3 stimulates collagen production. HGH measured in serum bloods was below 0.5<, so not sure about this. Going to try further testing
For those suffering from premature wrinkles , sunken eyes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGFBP3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collagen,_type_I,_alpha_1
[Size=4]“IGFBP3 protein levels decrease during the progression of prostate cancer from benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) to its metastatic form.[3] Although, production of the protein does not cease completely. IGFBP3 is still made (at a lower level) by prostate cancer cells and secreted into the surrounding environment. However, instead of the full length, functional protein, IGFBP3 is found to be cleaved.[4] This prevents IGFBP3 from binding and sequestering IGFs and the growth factors are free to bind the IGF-1R and promote cell survival.”
“Insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 expression and secretion by cultures of human prostate epithelial cells and stromal fibroblasts”. "[/size]
Taken from wikipedia.
Hey there propeciashiz. Hope that you got on okay at your anti-aging doc. I’d be really interested to know how you got on. How did you go about finding an anti-aging doc where you are in Australia? I’ve had a cursory search with the fields you suggested of biochemists and also sports science, although I’m really not sure where I am if such a specialist service is available in either field. Doing a basic anti-aging doc search predominately comes back with cosmetic options rather than any real science and understanding of the biological and hormonal which impacts on the aesthetic. The next step myself I feel would be to get a better understanding of what maybe happening hormonally. The general response from the medical profession seems to be pretty apathetic if it’s anything other than a cut and dried case of below range testosterone levels (for example), even if your levels are at the bottom end of the range and more like that of an old man.
I’d be very intrested to know if somone has had all IGF and IGF Binding proteins checked.
I checked the growth hormone level a couple of years back or so. I can’t remember the exact value, but I think it was 3. something. It’s supposed to be below 11,5 mIE/l in adults, so it was low if this was the case. I do have experience with hGH, and it (or IGF-1) is definitely a factor. In my experience, hGH enhances androgens effects on the body. After developing PFS, I haven’t had much problem with seborrheic dermatitis - which is an androgen-mediated disorder. hGH aggravates the condition. I’ve grown a lot of body hair while using it, and I can feel the beard grow sometimes after injecting. It aggravates androgenetic alopecia as well… I used 2 i.u.'s a day for 4 months. I was on TRT during this time.
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Thanks for your reply.
What i’m trying to understand is that my HGH is below 0.5 < and my IGF which is 90% of the range, though IGBP3 which is incharge of collagen production is greatly below range. I had very youthful skin before propecia and I am 21 should not be getting wrinkles. Aesthetically displeasing, though i know this is not a great deal. It may unlock so further questions with research I guess.
Hard to tell. Androgenetic alopecia has been linked to low levels of IGFB3, and other diseases like insulin resistance too. Insulin resistance is linked to growth hormone or its metabolite IGF-1. I’m just throwing out my thoughts here. The point is that you may have had low IGFB3 before using Propecia.
hGH is low because IGF-1 is high. It exerts negative feedback… The liver converts hGH to IGF-1, and is responsible for IGFB3 production, if I’m not mistaken.
l-glutamine increases HGH. glutamine is also one of the major pre cursors to gaba.