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I’d happily take a pill everyday if it could regulate my androgens body wide, for me I’d rather the physical stuff fixed before the mental as the physical will always effect my meantal state, my hope is that our underlying blueprints, genes have most likely not been damaged, so it’s just getting the body to repair itself, i know that’s probably very hard since my skin is extremely decayed underneath, lipodystrophy, thinner dermis I’d say etc, but technology is increasing very rapidly, imagine 20 year’s ago thinking the whole world would be connected by something you can hold in your hand, you can search for any type of information abd get it instantly, nobody would of believed you, they’d say your insane. I believe stuff we think now is impossible, will turn out to be very very possible indeed.
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There is clear scientific evidence that proves otherwise, at least for certain SSRI’s and isotretinoin. At some point I will start a new topic to discuss the similarities of those drugs at a biological level. However, we will not continue discussing this subject in the current topic, as to not derail it.
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Unfortunately it seems from my other threads nobody can help me with my saliva gland dysfunction that’s ruining my life.
have u tried drinking tons of water? think I read somewhere DHT regulates the glands producing tears and saliva on this forum
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It doesn’t work. It never solves it. There just be someone with the same problem. Have they recovered? It’s been almost a year 
Why wasn’t I told this when it was recommended to me? I wouldn’t have taken it. Can function be restored?
I’ve started seeing Dr. Alan Jacobs, a neuroendocrinologist… he’s been supportive of the PFS community for years… he was the first doctor (in the string I’ve tried) to get the right type of testosterone test where it showed my free T levels vs. total… going by the total, some other doctors thought I didn’t have an issue. Right now my T is below normal and estradiol is beyond the high limit… thought i was going to give birth soon! Well… I’ll share anything that I find out though him.
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Do not lose sight of the importance temporary recoveries signify. Since I got PFS in January 2017 I have had six recoveries where everything which ails me returns to normal, including full erections, libido, clarity of mind and motivation. Others have reported similar patterns.
How could this mechanism even be possible if we were permanently damaged? Perhaps it’s transiency is due to compensatory feedback taking over in the body to readjust some hormone or neurotransmitter level, and for that brief period where levels are ín range’’, normalcy of function returns.
But the very fact that this is possible indicates the real possibility that a pharmacological solution may be within reach which enables such a state to persist.
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Orthogs, good and interesting post. What did you do or intake before having relief?
I think Orthogs is right too. I’ve had a couple of ups and downs that have been complete reversals of my situation, where the change has been so complete that I assumed that I was done with this.
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A good question. I wish I knew… I know with one of my recoveries (Dec 2017) I was with a friend at a Lebanese restaurant and drank a few cups of aniseed tea, which I’d never had before. Within an hour I felt sleepy and then much better. Lasted for two days. According to my research aniseed, like licorice may may have mild anti-androgenic properties. Whether that was enough to bring about a recovery, I don’t know.
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I got pfs from licorice extract, its very potent.
Interesting is that antiandrogens kill us. And on the other hand low dose or weak antiandrogens help us getting better.
It seems that the AR theory is somehow right.
You need to reduce your androgen level a bit in order not to attack the AR. If your Testo and dht levels decrease, AR could reopen.
I would do some cycles with that tea. Forex drinking in the evenings or before bed for one week and stop for one week or drink it every second day. You could experiment. What about that? Important could be to use weak antiandrogens or potent at smaller dosage. I have read lots of succesful stories taking at a low dose (prog/ldn…)
I got better on clomid and even more so on trt…Then had to stop…so IDK…
There will be no cure soon.
That’s my statement which reflects my own personal opinion.
The real question is what to do while there is no cure.
Several options are:
A) You spend your money chasing natural cures going down one rabbit hole after another, hoping for the best and perhaps spurred on by a new helpful friend who tells you there’s a cure and they know the answer.
B) You can pursue your own methods devised from your own research that’s not clouded/tainted by the above.
C) You get on with life as best you can and save your money so when medical research makes a break through you have the savings to fund the new treatment and finally see an end to PFS.
When option C arrives which I believe it will, make sure you are financially prepared and haven’t spent most of your savings on option A or B. Economists/traders believe we are coming to the end of the current bull market and this will be met by a severe depression that will hike up inflation, increase the cost of living and cause further job losses. Being sick costs money so is your job recession proof?
In this interview Schiff mostly addresses the future of the US economy with a worst case scenario but he makes some good points that we should be aware of and question our future plans.
Yes but if we don’t help fund research there will be no cure. Just a small monthly donation. Everything helps.
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The problem with option C is that you are waiting for someone else to commit time and money to find a cure. That’s not going to happen. Let’s face it. Medical research largely does not even recognize that our problem exists. We have to fund the initial research to show that “PFS” exists as a condition. We have to show that “PFS” is connected to “PSSD” and other similar conditions to increase the affected population and make our problem more relevant. We have to show that “PFS” is connected to androgen receptor function which may be relevant to prostate cancer research to make our problem more interesting for researchers.
We have made progress on all these fronts over the years. But it took a very long time. Awor has written about all that over ten years ago. How much longer do we want to wait? I don’t want to be in my eighties before I get better. The time is now. Everyone needs to help. We will have to fund research ourselves and promote our cause until our problem is big and interesting enough to attract more interest (and grants) from public institutions, research and/or pharmaceutical companies. It’s not going to happen on its own. It’s on us!
That’s why everyone should donate to the PFS Foundation, participate in PFS studies when they recruit patients and file adverse effects notices with their regulatory bodies.
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Option C is exactly the idiocy that will result in no progress being made over the next 10 years. We have to fund research period. No one will do it for us as no one is convinced PFS is real. This attitude, which reflects a free rider mentality, will result in us posting here in 10 years not any more knowledgeable than now. Again: The donations have to go to the foundation and everyone needs to set up a monthly donation schedule! Once this community proves scientifically that PFS is real conclusively and in detail the floodgates re funding will open. If we fail to do the above we will be chasing after the latest homebrew nonsense in 2028 like desparate morons. Lol.
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Out of curiosity is there some sort of fundraiser we could do? As a community or something? I’m sure there’s many ways we could raise money faster and get the ball rolling quicker.
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