I am thinking here: Progesterone cream would be a potential solution for this problem, but pure progesterone cream is not sold in Europe, at least online.
Could someone who lives in the US buy and send some progesterone cream without additives to other people on the forum, who would like to try it? With regards to the money, I guess the safest way to send it to USA would be by international money transfer. Progesterone cream without additives is sold in just about every pharmacy over the counter in the USA.
This would be great, and also it would prove that we indeed are working as a team to get this thing solved. What do you say?
Using progesterone cream decreases the androgen to estrogen ratio or to put it another way results in increased estrogenic effects in the male.
If you want to face an increased possibility of gynecomastia, lowered libido and erection dysfunction then taking progesterone is certainly the way to go!!!
The only people pushing progesterone cream as far as I am aware are complete quaks who have little idea about the nature of andrology.
If something on this changes I’ll be prepared to eat humble pie but until then…
Progesterone cream can and has been used successfully in treating finasteride side effects. But it should be used in very small amounts, like 5mg a day. The main theory is, that when DHT was low on finasteride, adrenal glands were manufacturing too much progesterone in order for it to be changed to a brain repairing substance allopregnenolone (this conversion is done by DHT). This exhausted the adrenals. Small amounts of progesterone is to restore the function of adrenals. Apparently progesterone cream can be quite effective, but it is not sold in an additive-free form in Europe.
If you would like to know more, go see the old finasteride side effects forum at yahoo. Within a couple of days, a guy reported about a lot of progress on progesterone cream. The whole theory is presented by a member called Smithpulitzer (type into the advanced search engine author field).
Also Dr.Wilson tells about progesterone’s good effects on adrenal fatigue in his book “Adrenal fatigue - the 21st century stress syndrome”.
Unfortunately one person’s case alone remains nothing more than anecdotal and not something people should jump upon.
The fact of the matter is most specialists in the area of andrology are dead against the use of progesterone!
They are not for its use in men at all- period.
Furthermore these kind of pet theories regarding the cause of potential mechanisms abound and are propogated by Chinese whispers all because one guy thinks something works or one consultatnt has an opinion.
If I stated on this site that I used a given substance and that my endocrinologist gave it a whirl and I said it worked wonders;
I guarantee from that one post or a series of posts like that, we would have many people propagating what in effect maybe nothing more than my benign placebo effect and professing the benefits of a drug which may in fact be harmful.
I don’t blame anyone for this; I see it all the time, but it can be a dangerous thing. The amount of times you question these issues and say ok where is the evidence, the proof etc. Well the amount of times people come back with, well there was this guy six months ago that said this was true or that was true or someone just said it was a fact….amazing.
There is a strong need for evidenced based opinions, opinion based on provable facts, especially when you are talking about something that alters body chemistry right down to the way you think.
That isn’t happening with things like this and that makes it downright dangers for people’s health.
in and of itself progesterone is not an estrogen, but more of a corticosteroid, modulating the effects of actual androgens and estrogens. Cortisol, thyroxin, and prolactin also seem to be estrogenic by reducing testosterone levels, lowering libido, and contributing to the growth of breast tissue but that doesn’t make them estrogens.
While NATURAL progesterone (not the SYNTHETIC derivations which can, and do, destroy the endocrine system in both sexes) does have anti-androgen qualities, it is also an anti-estrogen, in both sexes. Most of us have experienced excess estrogen levels because of finasteride, and now we know specifically that finasteride depletes a progesterone-dependent neurochemical in the brain.
It may be true that the effects of progesterone cream are speculative, but what we really don’t know but need to know is the long-term ramifications of finasteride-induced brain impairment, a particular problem in which all signs are pointing directly at progesterone (natural progesterone, that is) as a possible fix. At least to those who have been researching the issue. Most of us have been diligently studying our various conditions for a very, very long time, amassing knowledge we would never have bothered to learn, things that even many doctors didn’t even know, while at the same time enduring suffering that not even those closest to us could understand.
Supplementing progesterone may or may not be the solution, but dismissing its therapeutic potential, no questions asked, could prove to be costly at our own expense.
I’m actually currently wondering about the same thing asked by the original poster here. I’m in Canada and would like to obtain progesterone cream. Not sure I want to use it yet, but I’d like to have it in my arsenal for the eventual possibility when some other things have not done the job. I believe it’s pretty cheap, anyway. Anyone?
Hey Quint, I bought progesterone from GNC a supplement supply chain where I live. Also, you can find it as an over the counter probably at the pharmacy, usually this product is marketed for women. If you cannot find it at the pharmacy, then you can buy it online. It is not illegal here in the US.
I’ve stop taking mine b/c i don’t want to elevate estrogen. oneday
I doubt that they would be allowed to ship to Canada. I seem to remember that one of Primordial’s Dermacrine products couldn’t be shipped to Canada because it contained DHEA – an illegal substance in Canada.
