hopester's story

  1. Where are you from (country)?
    UK

  2. How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
    Google

  3. What is your current age, height, weight?
    31, 5’12’’, 9 1/2 stone

  4. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?
    swimming, gym (weights)

  5. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?
    vegetarian

  6. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?
    hair loss

  7. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?
    propecia for 2 years, then dutasteride for 1 month

  8. How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride?
    25

  9. How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
    27

  10. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
    cold turkey

  11. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?
    Propecia/ Avodart

  12. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
    1 mg day

  13. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?
    none on Propecia, noticed sides 1 month into Dutasteride and stopped taking it

  14. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[ ] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[x] Loss of Morning Erections
[x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ ] Depression / Melancholy

Physical
[ ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[ ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ ] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
    initially none, then Prozac for the depression related to the ED

  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?

  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

I had no side effects - I think - from Propecia so went on Dutasteride. About one month in I noticed a loss of sex drive and no morning erections. It was also much harder to get an erection and I wouldn’t get one from visual stimulation or thoughts, just touch. Frequently, I couldn’t get one at all when I tried to have sex.

This caused a lot of problems with my sex life, which caused the end of a very important relationship with me, which caused me to get extremely depressed. The depression may well have been worsened by the Dutasteride.

For about 6 months I was really really depressed and terrified I could never have another relationship. I ended up on Prozac. This calmed me down and around the 8 month mark I could actually have sex, although the mild ED remained.

Now it’s about 5 years later. I would say I’m 80% ‘normal’ - after 6-8 months things stabilised and were ‘usable’ but unfortunately not the same as they were before the Dutasteride. Rarely, I can get an erection from thoughts, but usually only in the morning. Morning erections hardly ever happen.

I am now going to look into herbal testosterone boosters to try and sort things out. I have recently stopped the Prozac and last week had 2 morning erections which amazed me, so I’m hoping that things continue to get better.

The only hormone levels I have are these, from 1 month ago:

T 14 (10 - 28) nmol/L
SHBG 45 (11-52) nmol/L
Free androgen index 32

So ‘low normal’ according to the doctor.

I consider myself to have been lucky that my side effects were mild in comparison with some other peoples. If I have any luck with the supplements I’ll let everyone know.

OK, so after about 3 months taking Tribulus, I have noticed one interesting thing: I’m growing lots of new hairs on my chest and abdomen. I’m hoping this is a good sign.

I’ve also added ZMA into the mix. After one week, I’ve noticed that my mood is better, with less anxiety and my sleep is deeper and more refreshing.

As from next week, this is going to be my complete regimen. I’ve also cut caffeine and alcohol from my diet.

daily supplements:
ashwaganda
DIM
vitamin D
maca
ZMA
macuna pruriens
nettle root
gingko biloba
choline bitartrate
tyrosine
phenylalanine

supplements taken one day per week:
tribulus
muira puama
horny goat weed
sustain alpha (resveratol)

Try Quercetin, found at local drug store (it’s cheap).
A lot of guys believe this helps, myself included. Basically works to lower estrogen. Pretty harmless.

This regimen is based on correcting any possible problems with diet that could be preventing recovery and raising T/ lowering E through herbs.

Currently, I’m taking:

ashwaganda
DIM
vitamin D
maca
ZMA
macuna pruriens
sarsaparilla
passion flower
choline bitartrate
tyrosine
phenylalanine

sustain alpha (resveratol): 5 days on, off 2
broccoli treatment: 5 days on, off 2
terribulus terristis: once weekly
muira puama: once weekly
horny goat weed: once weekly

(I would have added Tongkat to that list, but ran out of money.)

Results after one week:

By day 5, depression/ anxiety decreased
By day 5, significant increase in libido.
On day 4, waking up in the night with erection and urge to have sex.
Woke up with full morning wood twice over 7-day period

I’m still missing: regular morning erections, psychogenic erections

I am surprised at the dramatic effect this has had, which I why I’m reporting results so early. Hopefully, improvements will continue.

This regime is continuing to improve things. I have had morning and nocturnal erections every day for the past 5 days.

glad its working so far - did you get any blood work done by chance?

Just these from February:

T 14 (10 - 28) nmol/L
SHBG 45 (11-52) nmol/L
Free androgen index 32

Still waiting for an appointment with a urologist, which might mean I get some more tests later on.