Hit and miss with TRT

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#1

Im reading through some of these posts here, and im finding A LOT of guys who are doing half hearted attempts at proper TRT and then claiming TRT “didnt work”, resulting in other guys being less willing to try it (I suspect).

Its VERY important that you keep in touch with your doctor and not just make your own mind up as to what the problem is (I am guilty of this too). For instance if you get nipple pain, then instead of cutting down your dose and hoping for the best, tell your doctor and it may be as simple as adding an E blocker. Sure if you have to stop, then stop, but tell your doc, dont just readjust the dose and hope its going to work.

Then theres the guys who start TRT and dont take baselines before they start, or when they do start, they dont get any bloodwork before deciding TRT didnt work for them.

Also other guys do TRT with no regard to considering Pregnenelone and DHEA which will mostly get shut down while on TRT which can render TRT useless.

Really you need a GOOD, experienced doctor to work with you on this as this is a complex problem. And if you try TRT on your own or with a doc who is clearly not up to speed, then you should add this piece of information in your post as a way of not discouraging others to try TRT. If you dont feel you can go and get the relevent meds or bloodwork (and you should know what you need if you’re at the point of starting TRT) then perhaps try putting the failure of TRT down to your lack of bloodwork or meds, not the TRT itself.

We cant all get the bloodwork and meds we need, this is a fact of life due to different circumstance and depending on what country you live in, but we need to keep it all in perspective. There is proper TRT and there is “band aid TRT” by incompetent doctors/patients. They are not the same thing.

I dont mean to be rude by this post, but theres just so many guys on this forum who are trying to take short cuts with it and then ditching it forever.

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#2

so, did trt work for you?

#3

It did to start with then it stopped working, I suspect due to estrogen which I am monitering now.

I havnt exhausted all options of TRT yet though so there is still hope…!

#4

J899,

Did you feel a good anabolic effect on your body from using TRT? I mean physically like a desire to play rough sports, lift weights and things like this?

I’m curious becuase while I still have been lifting weights, it’s not the same. It’s similar to masturbating, I do it just to be sure I can. I used to get great satisfaction from doing these things. I want to exhaust all options available before trying TRT, but if us guys do see this type of reaction to TRT, it would be good to know if all else fails.

#5

J899
are you still on TRT. could you give updates on your improvements.
I stongly think we should start a thread for TRT experience. Some of us are stuck and TRT looks the final solution.

sps

#6

That thread already exists, so please use it: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3250

Starting new threads everytime for the same topics makes it impossible to collect information in one spot, making it very hard to gather experiences and see the “big picture”.

Please do a SEARCH, and try and reply to existing topics rather than just start new threads everytime you have a thought or question.

#7

Doctors that put you guys onto TRT without understanding why T became low in the first place ARE PART OF the problem. There is no good and bad here, it’s pretty much all bad. TRT is seldom the solution and can worsen the problem - persistently. Listen to what your body is telling you. TRT is not working anymore? That is a message - it’s up to you to try to understand it. And don’t blame the lack of response on hormones. If your androgens are doing what they’re supposed to, it takes an incredible amount of estrogen to kill you sexually.

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#8

J899 how are you feeling?

#9

Im still no good Annon but im trying everything under the sun to get better.

#10

J899, does TRT make any difference to any of your symptoms? I’ve read that you have no libido, but what about fatigue, muscle wasting, brain fog, etc?

Have you considered/tried pushing the dose higher? You’ve probably read about Dustin and a couple of others here who are using or have tried very high dose TRT. Obviously it needs to be used cautiously, but maybe worth a try.

Thanks.

#11

When I first started TRT libido hit my like a freight train. Only to dissapear within a few hours. My muscles are quite good. So good in fact that people comment on it. Im still highly fatigued though and have brain fog to some degree.

I can have morning erections for a couple of weeks then they dissapear. I have no idea if my E is too high or too low. All the while there is no libido whatsoever.

#12

Thanks J899.

I think you started TRT in 2007: is that right? And you’ve been back and forth with gels and shots a few times?

What is your current T dose? And do you know what serum T level that provides?

Have you tried controlling your E with Arimidex when you push T higher?

Do you think that the T you’re taking has anything to do with your ability to grow/maintain muscles? Or did you never experience muscle wasting in the first place?

#13

Thanks J899.

I want to ask

1-what was ur total T level after u stopped fin and before TRT and how long did u wait for ur T to bounce back. did it bounce back?

2-do u suffer from any water retension while on Gel? how do u treat it?

thanx

sps

#14

Another question for you J899 if you don’t mind!

I understand you’re getting TRT via Dr Crisler; has he attempted getting your T levels well above range as outlined in his commments quoted in the recovery section, which supposedly helps men with post-fin problems? ‘Man Law’ permits me asking this on his site.

#15

I cant discuss my actual protocol because everyone is different.

I experienced muscle wastage and since taking T and controlling E at a normal T dose, my muscles have come back to what they should be. Maybe a little bigger considering I dont do much in the way of lifting.

#16

My Total T level was about mid range. My Free T however was way below range. I waited a year and it very slowly crept up but my free T didnt seem to move.

No water retention that I notice. Though I probably do get it as I feel bloated a lot.

#17

What do you mean by this?

I dont want to disclose anything I shouldnt.

#18

Thanks J899.

No problem on discussion of your specific protocol. But I think I am right in saying you’ve been on shots a couple of times already? So I wondering what would be different about shots this time?

It might be interesting to trial high dose shot - like 250mg to 500mg a week - along with Arimidex. Have you tried anything along these lines? Have you used Arimidex before?

I wouldn’t worry too much about revelation of your protocol. Everyone here is pretty familiar with the TRT regimens Crisler runs, and other patients of his have discussed their protocols and continue to be treated by him. I don’t think he’d had a problem with it. He just doesn’t want every single guy on his own site telling everyone else exactly how he is treating them.

Weird how TRT seems to impact on your muscles, but does nothing to your energy or libido.

#19

Most likely because Test is very anabolic and acts directly on muscle tissue. I’m pretty jacked right now but still have problems with libido, subpar erections, and aggression along with “manly thoughts” these are all tied directly to DHT. So for whatever reason, the test isnt’ being converted to DHT. This points to an enzyme problem, however unpopluar the theory. When I did my cycle of androhard, which is already 5ar reduced, I felt way better, and my erections and everything else that was lacking came right back like magic. Makes you wonder…

#20

From what I understand, shots convert to estrogen less. Yes im using Arimidex.
TRT did work for me at the very start. Im hoping its just a case of finding the right window of opportunity for estrogen.