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#1

  1. Im from scandinavia

  2. I’m 30 years old , about 180cm, 70kg

  3. I exercise almost daily.weights, running, swimming, ect. ect. and walk and use bicycle daily instead of using car.

  4. I eat mixed diet. most protein comes from milk products, legumes, fish.

5)I took Finasteride for hairloss

6)I took finasteride for two days at two separate times … I maen there was about three years between the dosing.

  1. I was 24 and 27 when I took finasteride

10)I took small pieces of proscar

  1. I took 0,25-0,5mg daily

  2. I noticed the side effects in about 20 hours from taking the first dose

  3. First I experienced severe “disconnected feeling” in my genitals. As if they were not there anymore. I did not feel my genitals to be there anymore.

Next morning I walked to bathroom and saw in mirror that my genitals - both testes and dick were shrinked to pre-puberty size.

The disconnected feeling has not gone away, there is no life or energy down there.
Still shrinked but not so severely as when I quit taking the drug.
Soft erection that does not last.

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[x] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[x] Loss of Morning Erections
[x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ ] Depression / Melancholy

Physical
[x] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[x] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[x] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?

I have tried viagra and horny goat weed extract

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I decided to give small dose finasteride a try since I had trouble accepting my fast hairless.
I had read that 0,25mg inhibits dht in scalp almost as effectively as 1mg dose without lowering serum dht so much.
I asked for proscar from my doctor because it is cheaper to use. I though I can cut it is very small pieces and put the pieces in caps. 10-20 pieces from one pill all in separate 0,25 - 0,50 mg caps.

I had read about the drug from internet forums and since so many people seemed to take it , it seemed pretty safe to try it. I also saw warnings about severe side effects. I ignored the warnings.

I tried finasteride two times.I had same side effects on both occasions. I guess I was so deeply into my problem of losing hair that I ‘forgot’ that it was totally not for me and that its poison for my genitals.It’s too sad to think how could I do it again for myself :frowning:

I decided to start like this, and to my huge surprise I felt the drug taking effect in my heads skin during the same day I started. Very strong ‘pumping’ effect in scalp. I was happy because it early seemed to do something in the scalp. I had same but much lighter pumping effect in scalp after taking saw palmetto extract, and nettle leaf extract together. This was about year before I took finasteride.
I took saw palmetto and nettle for year or two but they seem to lose their effect slowly or my hairloss became more “aggressive”.

Well that night I felt the drug doing it’s job on my scalp even when going to sleep I felt clearly what was happening on my scalp.I have no idea if others feel this when taking ar inhibitors but I sure do. I can feel the effect also when taking greentea extract or good amount of GLA an zinc supplement together. However with finasteride the “pumpy” feeling on scalp was ten times stronger than with naturals. I was quite surprised and excited to see what it can do to my hair.

Next morning it became clear that I would never get to see what the chemical could do for my hair.
I walked in normal fashion to bathroom and saw that my penis and testes looked weird. REALLY weird. They looked almost exactly like they were since my puberty and teenage.
I said loudly alone - what the FUUUUUCcCKK!
Things down there never never ever looked like that , even on a freezing day without warm clothes. THis sight was accompanied with the realization that I could not feel them.
I literally felt chemically castrated.

Yes this drug is STRONG and I sure am super sensitive to it.

Well I took it only two days and now after two-three years thing have not come totally back to normal. Weak erections and smaller penis. nothing more to say. thank you for listening.

Now - is there anything I can do to help recovery? I haven’t had night or mooring erections since then. This week I took my first viagra three days in a row, and it didn’t give me hard erection. What it did however was give me some night and morning wood back.

I suppose sidenafil really is not the cure for me… I don’t know what is. Time hopefully.

#2

I would edit my first post if I could. sorry for bad depressing story. However it’s true.

I had blood tests finally. I told what happened year ago and that I still have severe ED and that I can’t be with a girl I would like to.
I had these tested:
LH 5.6 UI/L
PRL 243 mU/L
SHBG 36 nmol/L
testo 20 nmol/L

My doctor said they were okay numbers.
He said I clearly have visible manly signs like beard growth and hairloss so I must have lots of androgens flowing.
I think that is not any sign that my hormones would be ok… but I didn’t say it to him.

I also had penis ultra sound / doppler test to see if my veins valves are okay. They are.

I don’t know what to do… just started andractim gel on penis on my own. will try for a while to see what it does.

Has anyone tried aswagandha? I have tried pure powdered root and sensoril extract capsules.
The root powder seems stimulating while the extract seems relaxing. I feel so good on it. Like I used to feel.
The capsules seems to give my penis more normal look and it hangs bigger/fuller,and get better erections …altho still not lasting or strong.
Wish I could be on the extract all the time but it seems to lose effect in about 4-5 days and then have to take a brake for a week or so. I think aswagandha extract is best supplement I have taken.

I also bought mucuna pruriens pills with 15% L-dopa to lower prolactin . Took for couple days but then started to feel too strange in my head. I don’t know if it is the L-dopa or what.

My doctor didn’t say to do anything to change hormone profiles but I want to try other supplements as aswagandha seems so good.

If andractim doesn’t work, I consider trying to kickstart my hpta like bb’s do.
Without any supplements my penis is almost dead.

#3

Hi

I am sorry to read your story. May I ask you what kind of SP did you use? was it soft gel 320mg. how did you feel while you were on SP?

I am surprised you did not feel any sides from SP?

thanx

sps

#4

I used saw palmetto product called arcon tisane biospray.
It’s hard to say if that product has affected my genital functioning.
I would never use it again that is for sure.

How could strong systemic AR-inhibitor be healthy for developing male body?
I used that product when I was about 17-19 for about three years.
I definitely regret taking it.

It made me feel little weak in body after dosing, also quite foggy and lethargic. but it gave me no immediate strong sexual side-effect like finasteride did.

So I had tests done by doctor.
I don’t have venous leakage in penis, and my T,PRL,LH and SHBG are in normal range.
I would have wanted to take more hormone tests but I received letter from my doctor that I should go to sexual consultant if I think I need more help.

Maybe she even thinks I have imagined everything up…who knows.
There may be plenty of patients who are obsessively paranoid about their genitals , but in reality only have psychic problems.
I can not blame my doctor if she thinks I am one of those?
Altho that makes -him- paranoid…

She said my dick is in normal size range and has never seen it before finasteride.
How can she know what has happened?
Also I only have my word for proof that I have e.d.
No problem in veins, no problem in tested hormones - no other things to measure.

Cialis helps no doubt, but it does not give me sensitivity back.
Like my dick gets quite hard on it but it don’t feel the way I used to and that’s why it won’t stay up for long time. Up and down, up and down.

It is amazing how small my dick and balls got when I dosed fin for two days.
They REALLY shrinked to pre-puberty size.
Now,they’re almost as small if I don’t take any supplements.
However, if I take loads of supplements my genitals get temporarily to pretty normal size. (normal size being the way they were pre.fin.)

These supplements seem to work for me:

ashwagandha extract (sensoril) - increases LH and decreases cortisol.
This stuff gets my genitals to pretty good flaccid size and gives me possibility to get short lived erection.
Maybe it’s the LH? This is easily best supplement I have tried.
unfortunate that it looses effectiveness for me in about 4-5 days if taken daily.
It’s weird since the studies on ashwagandha say that it has the known effects on hormones only if taken daily for long period. Maybe sensorial is different from other ashwagandha products? It is quite concentrated extract and it does not seem to have any of the “speedy energy” effect that plain ashawandha root powder gives me.

HGW - Icariin extracts seem to be very varied in their effects.
Some stuff don’t work at all. nothing.no effect.
while other extracts seem to grow my flaccid size and improve erection slightly.
side effects for me are: dry mouth,heated feeling, irritated mindset.
Normally I’m very laid-back and chill. Hgw extract really gave me insights how some people must feel - those that get easily angry or heated up.
Well it feels like Horrible. Hell.

Maca extract 12:1 seems to give little stamina boost.

mucuna was just super relaxing for the first day and after that it made me insane.
for some it seems to give psychosis and for some it decreases prolactin.
I got psychosis symptoms on day 2 and on day 3 it was total mess in head.
Never again thank you. Too bad … I would have liked to see what are the effects of decreased prolactin.

Arginine seems to help a lot.

First timeI took ZMA last autumn and it hit me well.
I took it on empty stomach at evening. When I was falling asleep I suddenly got my hardest biggest erection since finasteride poisoning.
Still it seems to give me better erection… after about an hour after taking it…but nothing as dramatic as first time.

Then there is taladafil.
Well yes it works but nothing like I’ve read it should. No erection guarantee. Not super hard. No feeling. Just erection without feelings.
It gives me normal flaccid size also for the time it’s on my system.
I so so so much wish I had the normal flaccid size without drugs and supplements.
When cialis clears from my system , my dick gets extra small. I looks and feels like it wants to whither and die.

Most effective combination for me so far is:
Ashwagandha extract, HGW extract, zma (zinc), arginine.

This really makes me feel and look like pre fin!
But when I stop taking these - my dick won’t get up no matter what I do. Also it gets small. Almost as small as just after dosing finasteride. (if don’t believe I can get photo)

I just realized that I was so unconfident to show my dick to doctor that I had dosed pre mentioned ed. supplements and so my dick was looking normal. Stupid of me.

I don’t know why would someone be interested in my genital shrinkage-e.d. nightmare. Other than the guys who have experienced the same and who seek for help.

I want to eliminate all anti-androgens from my diet.
If I could only eat organic food it would be great. Many common pesticides are hormonal disruptors.
whatsonmyfood.org/index.jsp

I won’t take thermal paper receipts in stores anymore, I don’t have synthetic rugs or furnitures which contain flame retardants, and will not take a single bisphenol-a piece in my teeth ever again.

EU bans bisphenol in 2011. About time… better late than never.

I would never have learned about hormones and all these xenoestrogens without this nightmare.

btw. if someone in europe wants to buy generic taladafil , hit me a pm. I bough too many.

#5

xario,

You really need to post the associated “ranges” with the hormones you posted. Otherwise they don’t mean very much. Also, you need a more comprehensive testing done. Refer to the main area of the forum and it lists far more hormones to test.

How is the health care in scandinavia? Keep following the forum closely, there some positive things beginning to happen. Between a couple of medical studies and class action lawsuits starting up. We will begin to get more interest from the medical community in our problem.

#6

Hi!

The labs ranges are: LH 2.5-7 PRL 70-300 SHBG 13-71 T 10-38

I wrote earlier that I started andractim gel. Well I applied it only for two days. I don’t know actually why I don’t have courage to try it.
Maybe I am afraid of more shut down.

I have never even thought that my drowsy black eyed look and lethargic mood would have been caused from betasitosterol and finasteride.
I sure do have black rings under eyes and it has bee since dosing these AR inhibitors.
It has never before come to my mind that my lethgarginess/black eyes could also originate from the same reason as erectile dysfunction. Who knows?